Newbie Running Help
I always say you just have to tough it out for a while. Run until you cant, then walk a couple of minutes, then run again. Do this for a set amount of time, not just until you feel tired and want to go in. As the weeks progress you can bump this time up and your time walking down. Also if you are going to do sprint drills (I don;t think you should be yet) don't take long strides, if your stride is too long you effectively put on the brakes by making contact with the ground before your foot is under your body. Just slow it down, relax your upper body. Before you know it you will be addicted.
Thanks for the feedback. That's kind of what I'm doing now. I ran for 45 minutes tonight, and I would just run till I couldn't anymore, and then walk until I could breathe again, and run again. Maybe I'll just have to stick with it. I would love to get addicted to running though. Thanks for the encouragement.
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Anytime, Def. don't look at walking as a bad thing. I walk for a few seconds between each mile on long runs, you heart rate doesn't drop that much so it just gives your legs a rest. Sooner than you think your legs and lungs will get on the same level with each other. Also remember that your max HR for the run will be higher than what you are used to on the bike.
When you ride you are mostly sitting down. The bike bears your weight. But when running it's all you. So my guess is that the more weight you continue to lose the better you will feel running.
As that happens try to inch up the running time and scale back the walking time.
March 3rd may be about 3 weeks away, but i think this training plan might have some things you can utilize. check it out:
http://www.coolrunning.com/engine/2/2_3/181.shtml
good luck--keep us posted!
runners world magazine has a few good "nothing to 5k" training plans a year on their site.....its worth checking out
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I had the same issue. Sounds like you need more base training, which is slower and done in HR zone 2 and 3. Check out Mark Allen's website:
http://www.markallenonline.com/Base.asp
This is more for the off-season, but I think you could fit it in.
I would focus more on getting your running endurance up and ignore HR for now. Since you're not in running shape at this point, the HR data is gonna be a little skewed. Wait until you become more comfortable and can maintain a steady pace for a prolonged period of time before you worry too much about zones.
That being said, don't push too hard. Slow and consistent is much better than brief speed with a lot of walking. It feels better too.
Oh, and your HR may always be relatively high compared to others smaller than you. I weigh in at around 210, and have been running for about 7 years. I just completed my first marathon in shade under 4hrs last month, for background. My average HR for a steady 8-8.5 min/mile run (which I find comfortable for anywhere less than 90 minutes or so) is usually between 165-170. I think b/c of my size my running HR is naturally higher, so I compare it to my past values along with percieved exertion to decide if I'm in the right zone.
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I've been running road races for about 5 years and am just starting to look at running efficiency. I've noticed as well that when I increase my stride rate, my HR and pace shoot up and wear me out faster. I don't know what everyone else thinks, but I'd suggest getting comfortable with running the 3 miles first and then start to work on improving your efficiency. I'm new to tri's myself and don't have any authority in this matter. Just a suggestion.
When I got back into running, I hit the treadmill 3 days a week at a 4mph pace (15min/mile) and just added a quarter mile each time until I could go for 3-4 miles
when you count that i was swimming and riding in between, i got where i need to be pretty quick....I started working out (after a 7 year hiatus) on thanksgiving weekend and just did 6.75 miles in an hour and it seemed like an easy run, and I only run about twice a week now that I've been trying to up my swim commitment
but u can do it man, just stay strong through the lung part and don't be afraid to listen to your legs, you aren't winning a trophy by injuring yourself
like my old coach use to say, bones and joints tell the truth, lungs are liars ;)
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It sounds like most of the advise so far has been to utilize a run/walk combination. Jeff Galloway teaches that method in all of his training programs. Read this short page about the mental and physical benefits of run/walk.
http://www.jeffgalloway.com/training/walk_breaks.html
Ironman Germany (July 6, 2008)
I agree with the run/walk advice and the take it slow advice. It takes a while to get into run shape. Don't try to keep up with everyone around you. Run at your own, comfortably slow, pace for now. A 45 minute run is nice and long. PLENTY long for having just started running a few weeks ago. Make sure you slow your pace down so you don't kill yourself on the run streches. The last thing you want to do now is to ware yourself down so much during a run that you risk injury.
"Faster would be better!" -Captain Mal, Serenity-
Ignore the HRM and slow it down and look around as you run. Sure, focus on what you are doing but really experience around you. Just make it a time of the day you like. Keep getting out there. After it becomes more of a habit and enjoyable and you look forward to it then bring a bit more structure in.
And yeah, I agree with walking is just fine, too :)
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Thanks for all the advice.
trimas, I'm actually trying to do exclusively base training, and that's the problem. When I walk, I can't really get my heart rate up at all, and when I run my heart rate jumps up to upper zone 4 almost immediately. So basically I can't find zone 3. I'll try the walking on a treadmill with an incline though.
From the sounds of it, I think I just need to get out there and run. I guess my heart rate doesn't mean much right now since I'm just not used to running at all. Wish me luck. Thanks again for all the replies.
Oh, Cap'n Mal, I'm moving on march 15, and I'm looking forward to having a treadmill to run on. I don't think I'm wearing myself down too much. I definitely watch that though because I weigh so much and what not. I'll definitely keep the running pace down.
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Oh, Cap'n Mal, I'm moving on march 15, and I'm looking forward to having a treadmill to run on. I don't think I'm wearing myself down too much. I definitely watch that though because I weigh so much and what not. I'll definitely keep the running pace down.
Cool, we'll see about getting a truck and that treadmill. With atreadmill and a couple of seasons of Buffy, you'll be up to speed in no time!
"Faster would be better!" -Captain Mal, Serenity-
Vampires and deamons scare you that much?
Before long you will be tracking your runs in terms of episodes. Last night, for instance, I did this week's long run. Two episodes of Heros. That Syler is creepy.
"Faster would be better!" -Captain Mal, Serenity-
It's not the vampires that will get my heart rate up. It's Buffy.+1 on Syler being creepy though.
I was just trying to help you keep that admission out of print.
"Faster would be better!" -Captain Mal, Serenity-
Plenty of good advice already given. I'll just add this:
In order to improve, you need to spend the most time working on the things you do the worst.
Just one of the mental battles of triathlon. It's not uncommon to find yourself spending the most time doing what you already do well.
Using this method, eventually it should be hard to decide what to work on... man I wish had that problem :-)
Thanks for all the advice.trimas, I'm actually trying to do exclusively base training, and that's the problem. When I walk, I can't really get my heart rate up at all, and when I run my heart rate jumps up to upper zone 4 almost immediately. So basically I can't find zone 3. I'll try the walking on a treadmill with an incline though.
From the sounds of it, I think I just need to get out there and run. I guess my heart rate doesn't mean much right now since I'm just not used to running at all. Wish me luck. Thanks again for all the replies.
Oh, Cap'n Mal, I'm moving on march 15, and I'm looking forward to having a treadmill to run on. I don't think I'm wearing myself down too much. I definitely watch that though because I weigh so much and what not. I'll definitely keep the running pace down.
running on the treadmill WITHOUT any incline might be just the ticket. that's what I had to do when coming back from ITBS in my knee. it's a LOT easier than running outside. (typically, treadmills need 1-2degs of incline to simulate outdoor running)
ChunkyB wrote:Thanks for all the advice.trimas, I'm actually trying to do exclusively base training, and that's the problem. When I walk, I can't really get my heart rate up at all, and when I run my heart rate jumps up to upper zone 4 almost immediately. So basically I can't find zone 3. I'll try the walking on a treadmill with an incline though.
From the sounds of it, I think I just need to get out there and run. I guess my heart rate doesn't mean much right now since I'm just not used to running at all. Wish me luck. Thanks again for all the replies.
Oh, Cap'n Mal, I'm moving on march 15, and I'm looking forward to having a treadmill to run on. I don't think I'm wearing myself down too much. I definitely watch that though because I weigh so much and what not. I'll definitely keep the running pace down.
running on the treadmill WITHOUT any incline might be just the ticket. that's what I had to do when coming back from ITBS in my knee. it's a LOT easier than running outside. (typically, treadmills need 1-2degs of incline to simulate outdoor running)
+1 on this. After a unjustifiably long break from running, I was getting too tired too quickly jogging at my normal 1% incline, so I dialed it down to no incline to get in some quality (or maybe just quantity) time.
"Faster would be better!" -Captain Mal, Serenity-
Thanks for the tips. I should be getting a treadmill in the next few weeks, and I'll try running with no incline, or walking with some kind of incline. I think I really just need to stick with it, but running is definitely my worst sport, so I think I'll just put in the hours for the next few weeks, and hopefully I'll see some results. Thanks again for all the tips. I'll keep everyone up to date as I become a world-class runner.
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I can commiserate that I in general absolutely hate running. I'm relatively large framed and it just never suited me.
I bought the same book, and definitely feel that running in the ER style has made running quite bearable - even pleasant for me. It taught me to run without all the pounding. - Do a search for for my threads "Evolution of my running" or "EoMR " where I logged several of my first runs using the method - I may have gone through some stuff that might be helpful (there may have been 7 of them?). I haven't posted one in a while, just because I've been busy, but I still run this way, and feel very strongly that it made me actually not hate running so much. I also think its going to help me get to a passable speed.
I agree with the posts above about just running/walking for a while. I've literally done that in the past and used that as a method to get to reasonable times. I think you'll have to train to get a point where you can train harder. Then you'll start getting results that make more progress.
Careful on a treadmill with no incline: it can lead to knee issues.
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1. Yes Buffy is hot
2. Scully has her moments, don't hate.
I've never really bought into the evo or other kind of taught running practices, I have neutral footfall so im not sure if that acounts for it or not but i have always just gone out and run however feels natural. I do leg speed drills and stuff to improve my efficiency but i find that thinking about it too much just distracts me. I usually encourage people to just run however feels naturally as long as your foot lands under your hips but cjhoffmn's comment is interesting. What all does this method entail? Not looking to change my form but I'm just curious.
this was me a few months ago - couldn't run more than 1000 metres without HR skyrocketing. I can now manage 10k in around an hour and 5 k in around 25mins. Not startlingly fast, but way, way better than where I was.
Take a look here for the advice I followed.
good luck
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kylie wrote:Careful on a treadmill with no incline: it can lead to knee issues.agreed, it's temporary until fitness allows the incline or, better, the outdoors
Even temporarily I'd be wary of it. Especiallly with higher weight the knees are under enough stress. Adding that might be a way to an injury! I've never had it happen, it just seems odd to me to recommend lots of downhill only running (which is what 0% incline is) to someone concerned with weight and being new to running.
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1. Yes Buffy is hot
2. Scully has her moments, don't hate.
He's not hatin'. He just knows I bought a whole bunch of Buffy and X-files on DVD to get me through winter base training.
"Faster would be better!" -Captain Mal, Serenity-
I also recommend dvr'ing the rob and big show......it's pretty staged but i can watch that junk all day long
It is better to hurt from doing something than from doing nothing...
First Triathlon (400m/20k/2.75mile) 1:39.15 including 33 minutes in the water
i about wet myself when they netgunned spiderman while riding on those scooters.....ridiculous
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I completed a few sprint tris last year, but for all intents and purposes (or intensive purposes, as I like to say), I'm a newbie. I am especially new to running. Whenever I run, my heart rate basically shoots sky high, and I can't even jog for more than about 2 minutes at a time. It's really frustrating because I'm to the point where I can bike for hours without going anaerobic, and I really enjoy it. But I just can't run.
My athletic background is primarily in football (don't laugh if you know me), and so most of the running I've done is sprinting with long strides and low stride rate. I got the "Triathlete's Guide to Run Training" by Ken Mierke, and I enjoy it so far, and I'm really trying to get my stride rate up and be more efficient and what not, but I feel like I don't have enough of a base to build on.
I was wondering basically if anyone can offer any other tips/support for a true running newbie because I really hate running, and I want to get to the point where I enjoy it. Perhaps some advice to get me to the point where I can actually run for a few minutes at a time, or run without my heart rate going sky high. If I just need to get out there and suffer for a few weeks before I see any results, then so be it. I have a goal to be able to jog 3 miles without walking by March 8 (that's when my actual tri training schedule begins), so hopefully I'm not shooting too high. Thanks for any help and replies.
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