Anyone have thoughts about Optygen???
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UFTriGator posted 20 weeks ago.
The main ingredient is Siberian ginseng, which has been used by endurance athletes for years. I use it and I've gotten faster since I started taking it, but it's hard to tell how much was from taking it and how much was from other supplements and other training. I've seen studies that say it's good, though.
PS....thanks for all the national championships, buckeye!
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GGehrke posted 20 weeks ago.
UFTriGator wrote:
I use it and I've gotten faster since I started taking it
Very interesting. Thanks for the first-hand account! I've been thinking about giving it a whirl and I think that just put me over the edge to buy a bottle.
Triathlete Magazine mentioned it in a piece on supplements to "Boost your VO2 Max" in the Feb issue. They mention "Dave Zabriskie and Levi Leipheimer swore by the original Optygen for years." If that's true, it's a pretty good sign in my book, especially considering I have a photo of Zabriskie TT'ing as my desktop background and wish every day I could be that fast.
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jsk85 posted 20 weeks ago.
I don't really care about how fast I go, as long as I can look as sweet as Leipheimer did at the final TT of the Tour this past year.
My blog: http://jsktri.blogspot.com
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GGehrke posted 20 weeks ago.
jsk85 wrote:
I don't really care about how fast I go, as long as I can look as sweet as Leipheimer did at the final TT of the Tour this past year.
I mean, people talk about personal goals, health, how much fun it is to go fast...
but when you get down to it, that's what it's really all about. Lookin' good.
;)
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RV posted 20 weeks ago.
Going fast makes you look good.
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outexan posted 20 weeks ago.
I got my degree in Exercise Science from OU and almost all of my upper division courses had some discussion of VO2 and VO2 Max. All the research suggests that VO2 max is almost entirely genetic and can only be minimally influenced by training. Someone like me (tested VO2 max of 63) will never, no matter how much I train (or supplements i take) will enter the kingdom on Lance (VO2 in the mid 80's).
I also took a number of classes on supplements and nutrition in general. Supplements can be great if used right. However i will say this...any supplement that promises in and of itselft to increase your VO2 max is 100% bogus.
Some supplements help you recover from workouts or allow you to train more. More training can cause your VO2 max to increase (somewhat and only to a genetically determined ceiling) HOWEVER no supplement can increase your VO2 max just by itself.
There is no magic pill....sweat is the only true "supplement" that will produce this desired effect.
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ryanweeg posted 20 weeks ago.
UFTriGator wrote:
I use it and I've gotten faster since I started taking it, but it's hard to tell how much was from taking it and how much was from other supplements and other training. I've seen studies that say it's good, though.
Ditto, have been taking it for give or take 1 month now...
"If one can stick to the training throughout many long years, that willpower is no longer a problem. It's Raining? That doesn't matter. I am tired? That's beside the point. It's simply just that I have to."
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UFTriGator posted 20 weeks ago.
outexan wrote:
I got my degree in Exercise Science from OU and almost all of my upper division courses had some discussion of VO2 and VO2 Max. All the research suggests that VO2 max is almost entirely genetic and can only be minimally influenced by training. Someone like me (tested VO2 max of 63) will never, no matter how much I train (or supplements i take) will enter the kingdom on Lance (VO2 in the mid 80's).I also took a number of classes on supplements and nutrition in general. Supplements can be great if used right. However i will say this...any supplement that promises in and of itselft to increase your VO2 max is 100% bogus.
Some supplements help you recover from workouts or allow you to train more. More training can cause your VO2 max to increase (somewhat and only to a genetically determined ceiling) HOWEVER no supplement can increase your VO2 max just by itself.
There is no magic pill....sweat is the only true "supplement" that will produce this desired effect.
I never saw a change in my VO2max, but unless you're running the 1500m or doing a kilo pursuit on the track, it's not really that important. I DID see a change in my LT, though, which is much more important for tris...although I'm still not sure if it's from supplements or training (I'm sure it's a mix of both). I'm not going to stop taking it anytime soon, though.
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TriSooner posted 20 weeks ago.
You might want to check on the results from a controlled study of Optygen:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15076794?dopt=Abstract
"A 2-wk ingestion schema of a commercial herbal-based formula is insufficient to elicit positive changes in cycling performance."
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outexan posted 20 weeks ago.
Help me raise money for the LAF by donating anything that you can. Thank you so much!
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outexan posted 20 weeks ago.
UFTriGator wrote:
outexan wrote:I got my degree in Exercise Science from OU and almost all of my upper division courses had some discussion of VO2 and VO2 Max. All the research suggests that VO2 max is almost entirely genetic and can only be minimally influenced by training. Someone like me (tested VO2 max of 63) will never, no matter how much I train (or supplements i take) will enter the kingdom on Lance (VO2 in the mid 80's).I also took a number of classes on supplements and nutrition in general. Supplements can be great if used right. However i will say this...any supplement that promises in and of itselft to increase your VO2 max is 100% bogus.
Some supplements help you recover from workouts or allow you to train more. More training can cause your VO2 max to increase (somewhat and only to a genetically determined ceiling) HOWEVER no supplement can increase your VO2 max just by itself.
There is no magic pill....sweat is the only true "supplement" that will produce this desired effect.
I never saw a change in my VO2max, but unless you're running the 1500m or doing a kilo pursuit on the track, it's not really that important. I DID see a change in my LT, though, which is much more important for tris...although I'm still not sure if it's from supplements or training (I'm sure it's a mix of both). I'm not going to stop taking it anytime soon, though.
I can assure you that the change in your LT was from disciplined, accurate training not from the supplements that you are taking.
Help me raise money for the LAF by donating anything that you can. Thank you so much!
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UFTriGator posted 20 weeks ago.
TriSooner wrote:
You might want to check on the results from a controlled study of Optygen:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15076794?dopt=Abstract
"A 2-wk ingestion schema of a commercial herbal-based formula is insufficient to elicit positive changes in cycling performance."
That's only a 2-wk study. They say right on the bottle that it takes a while to have an effect. Normally I don't believe in most supplements, but people have been taking the stuff for probably 20 years. I think if it didn't work, people wouldn't still be taking it all these years later.
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buckeyeben posted 18 weeks ago.
UFTrigator, any chance an you rebut the 2 week article that the triSooner mentioned with the studies you have seen?
PS- Ouch UFTrigator. What can I can say about ALLLL those championships???? Argggghhhhh.....Well earned. Perhaps you'll meet us in the BCS Championship game next year since you couldn't get there again this year. Of course it might be tough for Gator fans to travel ALLLLLL that way to Miami for the Orange Bowl...almost as easy as those die hard LSU fans who hopped on the trolley car across town to make such a sacrifice to get to the Superdome. ;-)
UFTriGator wrote:
The main ingredient is Siberian ginseng, which has been used by endurance athletes for years. I use it and I've gotten faster since I started taking it, but it's hard to tell how much was from taking it and how much was from other supplements and other training. I've seen studies that say it's good, though.PS....thanks for all the national championships, buckeye!
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GGehrke posted 18 weeks ago.
Follow up - got my bottle today and was disappointed it really didn't have any sort of instructions.
The only thing it said was to take 4 capsules daily with a meal. 4 capsules? For serious?
I suppose I could call their support line or whatever, but does anyone know if there are any other guidelines? Should I take all 4 at once? I don't suppose it matters when during the day I take them (i.e. soon before/after exercise) does it? I saw a reference somewhere to "loading" but also that the new "HP" formula doesn't require loading. What's that all about?
And I took my first capsule like a whole 10 minutes ago and still don't look like levi. WTFmate? What a scam. ;)
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RV posted 18 weeks ago.
GGehrke wrote:
Follow up - got my bottle today and was disappointed it really didn't have any sort of instructions.The only thing it said was to take 4 capsules daily with a meal. 4 capsules? For serious?
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And I took my first capsule like a whole 10 minutes ago and still don't look like levi. WTFmate? What a scam. ;)
Take all 4 in a.m. usually with meal
http://www.firstendurance.com/optygenhp_qa.html#4
Look like Levi? Expecting to lose your hair?
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I'm training for my first half-ironman (California 70.3 in March) and someone highly recommended Optygen. I have researched a bit regarding HOW it works. I'm interested in hearing IF it works and how well. Thoughts? Much thanks!