gear ratio's, and crank arm lengths ???
I've seen that guy's page before. He's got some great info. And a great beard. I suspect that 120rpms is pretty high, but for a sprint it is doable. Also, at 6', I suspect your 170 crank arms are on the short end. I am 6'4" and handle 175's easily. Also, longer crank arms would make higher cadence harder than with shorter crank arms. In other words, if you had longer cranks, even 172.5's, you wouldn't need as high a cadence as with 170's. I have never seen anything bigger that 175. If you find some, let us know.
yes, his beard is monumental and life changing
as 100rpms feels very good to me at this point (that might change) and i agree with you that 120 sounds a little frantic......do I need to change my cassete to go faster? does it matter if i increase the front or decrease the back?
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Sheldon's website has been one of the great resources on the web for all things bike related. Any time I am about to tear into my bike for a DIY project, I make sure to read what he has to say. He often has extra tips and info, or just a different way of describing things, than what I would find in the Zinn book or on the Park Tools site.
He passed away about 2 weeks ago and will be sorely missed.
Changing cassettes is much easier and cost effective than chaning front rings and crank arms. You can have an assortment of cassette sizes (105 and Ultegra are fine for training) from 11X27 up to 12X23 for the cost of new cranks. Plus, I think you'd have to adjust the front derailleur if you change cranks, not sure though. Sample different cassettes. All you'll need is a cassette socket and chain whip (coolest name ever for a tool) for maybe $30 total. Remove the rear wheel and switch cassettes. Or have your shop do it, but really it is as hard as changing a tire if you have the right tools. Plus, it gives you a chance to really clean things. Find a cassette size that works best for you on the course you race on. I still think if you are spinning near the 100s you could probably handle a bigger gear.
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He passed away about 2 weeks ago and will be sorely missed.
That's really sad to hear......I'm sorry for all of you that knew him......his website taught me more in the last three days about bikes than anything in the last 6 months
and yes trisooner......his beard is immortal
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18-28-38 sounds like MTB gearing. Before you spend any money on changing it, I'd say get a road bike instead. You'll get a lot more out of a road bike for tris than you will out of a MTB no matter what you do to it.
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Not fast enough.
the crank says shimano trail (i think shimano but I am sure about the trail part) it's definately a road bike though (garage sale) its an old panasonic with shifters on the top frame bar and the wheels are 70/25 (did I type that right?)
should a road bike have different gearing up front.......the low gear feels so low i could ride up the side of a building with it?
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PJT wrote:But his beard will live on forever. That really sucks. Any news/websites about it? (Other than his?)He passed away about 2 weeks ago and will be sorely missed.
Here's a good obit: http://www.bikemagic.com/news/article/mps/uan/6047
(And my apologies for the threadjack)
threadjack accepted gracefully ;)
he meant more to cycling than my question.....when i die I want someone to get threadjacked for it too
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I'm riding a 170mm crank arm with 18-28-38 front gears and a cassettes that ranges from 13 to 25........that shows me only reaching 22.5 at 100rpms-scott
Yeah, scott...you've got a MTB crank on that thing. I ride a 53/42 front with a 12-26 rear cassette. Or else I use a single 46 tooth ring up front with a 11-28 8-speed rear cassette (flat rides there's no reason for two front rings. I try to keep my cadence at 90, but usually am a bit under. I used 175 arms last year and am switching to a 172.5 this year.
You REALLY need to change that front crank setup. I suggest a standard 50-39 double, or a 53-42-36? triple setup. And definately start out with 175 crank arms, well 172.5 would be fine too I bet.
I wanna start placing in my age group!
You need bigger gearing.
Right now your largest gear is a 13-38. If you're running a front crankset of 18/28/38, you're running a small crankset even for mountain bike gearing. Looking around here and a couple places online I'm immediately seeing mountain bike triples at 22/32/44, 24/34/46, & 26/36/48 and road bike triples at 30/39/52.
Doing a quick comparison to compact cranks for tri bikes, you'd be looking at 34/50 or 36/50, a huge jump from your 18/28/38...and those are the compact cranks, not even standard cranks that run more along 39/53.
A new front crankset is going to be the more expensive option, but dropping your rear to even an 11-23 isn't going to do much for you in the long run with your front topping out at 38.
Edit: too much running around the house, cross posted with zanzabar88 :p
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thanks for all the help everyone......i thought something seemed wrong
I'll definately check out some new front cranks.........
any suggestions
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If you are currently running a Shimano drive train on your bike, it will be cheaper to switch out to some type of front setup that is compatible with Shimano. In switching out the crankarms and chainrings, you will likely have to get a new front derailleur (or move the current one based on the size difference of you “new” chainrings), also with your current setup being a triple, if you don't want to have to switch out the front derailleur, I suggest you stick with a triple setup in the front. You will also have to check and see if Shimano mountain bike chain (which I am sure is on there now) is the same pitch as Shimano road bike chain, if not you might have to switch out your whole drivetrain. Good Luck.
I agree with Zanzabar, sounds like you need a crank upgrade including chain-rings.
A road triple is usually 53-39-30 or 50-39-30 so your current setup sounds like MTB gearing for sure (or setup for some really big hills). I would recommend a 175 crank arm length as well since you are 6’. Talk to your LBS, maybe they can fix you up for not too much $$$. Or if you are mechanically inclined, you could order the parts online and do the upgrade yourself. Yikes, my fixie has a bigger gear upfront (46) than your current setup. Good luck.
I answered the original post assuming it was a road bike set-up . . . I was wrong :(
Excuse another hijack, but, is there anywhere online that gives a good explanation of the gear numbers and ratios? I'm going to be getting a new bike sometime this year and I don't want to get one with gearing that isn't going to work well for me.
sheldonbrown.com
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scott,
You can get new Shimano 105 (double) cranks on Nashbar.com for $50, and there are even cheaper options (but I'd stay away). Used on Ebay will probably put you in the $25 range. Heck, I have a Bontrager triple crank that came off my Trek 1000 that I'd sell to you for $15. I asked about upgrade cranks at my LBS and they quoted me $120 for an OLD Shimano 105, so your luck may be different, but don't expect it to be cheap locally. You will have to identify the bottom bracket type (probably square taper) and make sure that your new crank is compatible with that.
I wanna start placing in my age group!
ill check with my LBS about compatability......for $15 plus shipping, I'll by bontrager if they are compatable and won't require switching out the derailer and all that........if it does i'll just have to pedal faster till i have more money.....thanks for the thought....ive never heard of nashbar so ill check it out
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Switching derailleurs isn't what you should worry about. They're all the same and are easily adjusted. Compatability is a question of which BB the crank is designed for.
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Not fast enough.
Matt's concerns are valid. I'm betting your BB is square. The Bontrager is going to be ISIS or the newer intergrated BB. ISIS BBs arent too much, and much easier to figure out sizing than Shimanos Octalink.
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someone posted a great link the other day (sheldonbrown.com/gear) i think
anyway.....it had a table where you could put in your cadence and gear ratios, wheel size, crank arm length etc.....and it would tell you your speed
I'm riding a 170mm crank arm with 18-28-38 front gears and a cassettes that ranges from 13 to 25........that shows me only reaching 22.5 at 100rpms
in order to go faster (i'm hoping to be doing just that at sprint distance sometime this year) should I just up my rpms (holy cow) or do I need a gear upgrade?
Is 120rpms unheard of?
also as a guy who is 6' with reasonably long legs.......should i have longer crank arms on the bike (i hear they offer 180mm) to ease the torque necessary out my legs and accomidate the higher cadence?
Please help, the tech side of cycling is a little intimidating to me and I'm still trying to figure it out
-scott
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