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started by Newbie 615 on February 7, 2008

First off I would like to say thanks for the wealth of information that I have found on these forum posts and I cannot wait until I am knowledgeable to contribute myself.

Alright, I have been advised to try a pool swim sprint triathlon for my first event to avoid the "freak out" of a mass start lake swim. This seems like sounds advice except that all of the pool start events early in the season are on weekends that I already have prior commitments. If I feel comfortable swimming the distance for either race, should I wait until late June to do a pool swim tri or think about doing a lake swim tri earlier in the season?

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gfd posted 30 weeks ago.

Go for the lake swim. Stay to the back or middle and outside and you won't have much contact to worry about. The first open water can be a nerve wracking experience, but once you realize that nothing bad is going to happen to you your nerves will calm down.

My problem, in my first tri, was with the lack of visibility in the lake and no experience with open water swimming. If you can get out a few times prior to your race it will be a big help with your confidence.

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TriWoody posted 30 weeks ago.

Newbie,
I started last year at 54 years old and picked a tri that had a pool swim. I think it helped me in so much that I had less to worry about. It's less intimidating starting in the pool at 10 second intervals than handfighting in open water. You'll be able to concentrate on your swim form better. Good luck, train hard.

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RV posted 30 weeks ago.

Try an open water swim first - some people can be quite uncomfortable when not able to see in the water like they can in a pool. If you feel comfortable then go for it.
Good advice to seed yourself to the back and away from the buoy line. Less congestion. Also waiting a few seconds after the wave starts to let the onrush go can save you some jostling around as well.
The other thing with doing a couple open water swims prior to the event is to practice sighting. First time out you may be surprised at how crooked you swim - when there isn't a nice black line to follow like in the pool - you constantly make corrections and swim straight - try and swim with your eyes closed in the your lane - not near the end (don't want to bang your head!) - and see if you end up swimming into the lane dividers.

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ChunkyB posted 30 weeks ago.

No matter what you do for your first race, you'll eventually be doing races in open water, and I would suggest doing at least one open water swim with all of your race equipment before the race.

Also, this might seem like a lame suggestion, but you might want to consider changing your screen name, because before too long you'll be a veteran, not a newbie. Of course, I'm hoping to not be chunky someday, so maybe we have a pot/kettle situation.

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tsilcyc posted 30 weeks ago.

This video should explain every you need to know about the swim...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3S0wu4Zbfk

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CadenceGuy posted 30 weeks ago.

What 'RV' said is a great idea. Do you have a freind that can go in front of you in a canoe or something? You can sight off him and at such a slow speed hell be able to go in a straight line for yah too. Then youll build up some courage of getting into the open water rather then just jumping in for the first time on race day. Or like 'gfd' said, once your heat goes off count to ten or so then take off, youll still be alone and wont have to worry, just race your own race and leave all that fighting at the front to those 'type D' peoples.

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Chiflado posted 30 weeks ago.

My first (and so far only) tri had an open water swim. We went down and trained in the lake where it was going to be. My uncle was going to do it too, but when he went to train in the lake it freaked him out, so my mom ended up doing the swim portion for him. So go swim in a lake like you would in a tri and see what it's like.

As far as the open water start, I started more on the outside and didn't really have much problem with people piling on me or anything. My mom (who was in a later starting) said that it looked like a buncha fish flopping around on the inside. :P Oh and also. this one was not a mass start they started like two or three age groups at a time I think.

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tri-ac posted 30 weeks ago.

there are three levels of anxiety to pick from and it really depends on what kind of personality you are
1) just toe up at the starting line in a lake
2) get into a lake and swim a few times before doing the race (take a buddy for safety!)
3) pool swim, but you'll have to do one of the other two choices eventually

I highly recommend #2 both for anxiety and performance reasons!

did someone mention yet that cold water can also be a little bit of a shock? you'll get used to it, but it is a surprise when your HR is shooting through the roof for no apparent reason

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TonisFirstTri posted 30 weeks ago.

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did someone mention yet that cold water can also be a little bit of a shock? you'll get used to it, but it is a surprise when your HR is shooting through the roof for no apparent reason

You are the first person to mention this and I have been wondering about the effect of the temp on performance. I won't have much opportunity to swim in open water before my first tri, but I am not anxious about it. However, I am concerned about the effect of the water temp. I am small (about 110 lbs), and I am wondering if I will be at a much greater disadvantage physically, OR is it just a question of mental toughness and I need get over the wimpy "oh it's so cold" factor. Thoughts?

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stewarba posted 30 weeks ago.

Nothing new here from me, but I will echo getting into some open water and practice. It is amazing the difference between the two when you are inexperienced. Once you get a feel for the open water you will probably prefer it to the pool.

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TriSooner posted 30 weeks ago.

Go for it. Don't hold back on the open water swim just because you think the experience might be a bit nerve wracking. It will be, but if you prepare yourself for a little contact, you will be OK. Keep your breathing under control. Assert yourself in the water (defensive swimming). And "sight" every 25-50 meters or so you will stay on track. As others have said, start in the middle and wide. You don't necessarily want to start in the back because then you'll have to swim over and around a lot of people. And prepare for the turns. This is where everyone bottle-necks. Good luck.

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RV posted 30 weeks ago.

Ya, if the water is cold it can really shock the system and make breathing a bit more difficult. You can help this by getting acclimated to the water - also people will wear multiple swim caps or a neoprene one for warmth.

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theShiba posted 30 weeks ago.

I did my first Tri in open water as well. I wasn't as freaked out about it as I thought I would be. I had never done an open water swim before, but I guess I just knew that no matter what happened to my time, I wasn't going to drown. I have always felt I was a strong swimmer (read: survival skills). I say go for the OWS. If you have time to practice before in Open water, all the better. The important part is that you be prepared to do this distance. If you are well prepared for the distance, you shouldn't have any problem 'making it' beyond the general chaos of the start rush. There are ways to avoid that which have been listed above, and all are great ideas. Just stay calm and you should be fine.

One last thing... if you do OWS, have a back-up plan. Mine was, If I get tired, I am going to roll over and kick on my back until I catch my breath. I found that the cold water was making me gasp for breath uncontrollably, so I was having a hard time getting a rhythm going. If you get yourself in a bind, remember that you can always float on your back, and just make sure you are kicking in the right direction...

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TryScott posted 29 weeks ago.

I'll never forget the start of my first triathlon because it was in open water. There was little or no contact, but something about that start put my adrenaline through the roof. I had to float on my back for a few seconds just so I could take a few deep breaths to get my composure (started jumping from a boat in deep water, so I couldn't touch like most starts). I wouldn't trade that memory for anything!

It can certainly be overwhelming, but it's entirely up to you if you want to look for a pool start for you first. Just remember, you can only have one first, so make it special. :)

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jsk85 posted 29 weeks ago.

Hehe..TryScott your post reminded me of an open water experience I had. it wasn't my first open-water tri (I think it may have been my 5th or so), but i hadn't done one in over a year. The race was a 1/2 IM in Illinois and so I showed up a day early and swam on the course to get a feel for water temp and such. I was so prepared there should have been no problem.

Turns out, nerves hit me for no apparent reason on race day. I started the swim my usual way, heading toward the outside to stay out of people's way. Adrenaline had my heart racing. Then, less than 100m in, I started having what I would say is the closest thing to a panic attack I've ever had. My heart was pumping so fast and whenever I had my head under the water I felt like I needed more air and I couldn't breathe...It was terrifying.

After contemplating DNFing at the start (pretty humiliating i'd imagine), I ended up swimming a modified freestyle where I kept my head above water the entire time for the first 500 until I calmed down. Needless to say, my swim time was nothing to brag about.

Just thought i'd throw that out there. BTW, this is not meant to scare you for open water swims if you're a noob. Probably not the best place to post this, lol.

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theShiba posted 29 weeks ago.

I think that's good jsk... To me it's not scary at all.

The point you, TryScott and I are trying to make is this: Be prepared to improvise.

In other words, if you do an Open Water swim, be prepared that you might have to switch to survival mode rather than "fast" mode...

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ChunkyB posted 29 weeks ago.

theShiba wrote:
you might have to switch to survival mode rather than "fast" mode...

That's pretty much my only mode in open water. Like that movie "Castaway" after his homemade raft breaks and the fish are coming up and gnawing on him and stuff.

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Triguy98 posted 29 weeks ago.

Pool swims suck. I dont really look at those races as "real" tris- theyre more like practice tris. And they dont even do that good of a job. Open water is the only way to go. My first tri was open water. While I basically grew up on the beach, I had never RACED inthe open water. Its an awesome experience. Definately go for the full monty on your first race, no half assing it.

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