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Nutrition for long rides - what and how?

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started by GGehrke on February 5, 2008

I'm thinking of doing a 100+ mile training ride this weekend. I want to do it as much for the destination (Aroyo Seco River in central CA) as for the training value, but I figure it's a good opportunity to hone in on a good nutrition plan for a 6 hour event.

What I'm curious about is what you guys would take on a ride that long and, just as importantly, how would you transport it?

I've used primarily gels for 50 milers, but on a recent ride I bonked out at about mile 45 of an intended 60+ mile mountains ride and had to take a shortcut home in a delirious fog. I figure gels are still going to be pretty essential because they're easy to use and easy to pack. Yet, a Gu is only 100 calories. PowerTap reports 1975cal burned for that ride that I bonked on. The 2 Gu packets I consumed must have barely put a dent in that.

I'm genuinely tempted to take a turkey sandwich wrapped in plastic or something. What do you guys use that's a bit more practical?

The last thing I want is to get 50 miles from home and have to dawdle back with an empty tank. And I'm literally heading into the wilderness, so I'm not too keen on counting on Quick-E-Marts.

I suppose related, too, would be any recommendations for fueling up the night before and morning of?

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Sully800 posted 14 weeks ago.

I've never done a century ride, but in addition to gels you get a good base of calories from your sports drink. Whether its gatorade, accelerade or something else, you'll probably be drinking about 150 calories per bottle. I don't know how the temperature is out there, but you'll probably want at least 5 bottles on a ride that long (typical wisdom is 1 bottle/hour, more in the heat). If you won't have an option to restock as you go, you'll need to figure out how to carry all that hydration with you.

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tsilcyc posted 14 weeks ago.

Depending on your body size, you'll want to consume between 240-280 calories an hour. Realize that if you do that with Gels, you'll need about 8 ounces of water with each. I can tell you from personal experience that a day of eating gels is not fun.

I'd look for calorie dense foods such as fig newtons, bagel with PB (or PB&J), Lara bars (all natural), some gels, etc. Carry it in your jersey pockets, a Bento box and wherever else you can stuff it. You should be able to carry what you need in your pockets alone... I know this from personal experience.

This will be a good time to practice what works for you. Personally, I'm eating something every 30 minutes.

Good luck! And report back and let us know how it went.

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TriSooner posted 14 weeks ago.

GGehrke wrote:
I've used primarily gels for 50 milers, but on a recent ride I bonked out at about mile 45 of an intended 60+ mile mountain
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You won't get enough fuel for 6 hours from gel and sports drink. Even if you tried, you would have to force down three or four an hour and you'd be sick of them ASAP. You need solid food. The obvious choices are bars, but on 100+ milers I have seen (and used) PB&J sandwiches (don't take meat and mayo, it will turn funky), beef jerky (protein and salt), bagels pre-spread with peanut butter (carbs and fat), snickers (sugar and fat), pop tarts (tons of carbs, simple and complex). The key (for me) is getting as many calories in a small package that won't spoil, melt, or crumble (too much).

At the Ironmans I've done, people have all kinds of solid foods in their special needs bags, and if you've heard about 100 mile ultra run, they have solid food on the run too (think meatloaf, mashed potatos). Either way, from what you learned about your experience, take more than you may need. Nothing worse than bonking in the middle of the woods.

Also, you asked about 'carb loading:' It really isn't only the night before. That is your last chance to get in good carbs. You should really think about getting in good carbs 24-48 hours before you start. So breakfast and lunch the day before are a good time to get in the carbs with enough time to digest and turn to glycogen. Breakfast the day of is a bit too late.

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driggins posted 14 weeks ago.

Carbopro is an excellent source of liquid calories. if you're like me, GU gets old in a hurry. i have used it in long rides and HIMs. give it a looksee:
http://www.nvo.com/sportquestdir/products/skudetail.nhtml?uid=1000

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kkocan posted 14 weeks ago.

For me, I was able to do rides up to 120 miles last year just on Infinit.
I took 2-24oz bottles filled with a concentrated mix (6-8 scoops instead of 2.25/24oz) which gave me about 1,800-2,000 calories total. Doing that I was able to completely eliminate solids and gels. Just made sure I took a sip/drink of water after every drink of Infinit.

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ryanweeg posted 14 weeks ago.

I did my first century in November in Solvang, and am doing another in three weeks in Ventura/Ojai area. On my century ride I probably consumed 4-5 Gels, 2 24 oz. bottles of E-Fuel, and 2 24 oz. bottles of Water (refilled after about 50 miles at aid stations). Basically I would eat a gel every 20 miles, at mile 30 I ate a clif bar and at mile 60 I ate half a PB&J and some trail mix at the aid station. The weather was cool and windy, and my average speed was somewhere around 19-20 MPH, pretty slow but there was about 6,000 Ft. of climbing. I think it depends a lot on the weather. I probably didn't consume as much calories as I needed, but I didn't want to carry a whole lot and I did use aid station foods a couple times so that helps. Anyways, hope this helps and good luck!

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azstinger11 posted 14 weeks ago.

Personally I'm a big fan of clif shot bloks. Wasn't it POC or someone who would carry like half of a deli sub in their jersey on long rides?

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vanjames posted 14 weeks ago.

My strategy is very similar to KKocan. The only diff is I put 2000cals in 1 24oz bottle and carry one other for water and nuuns. I alternate between water and water/nuun mix .

Limits the amount of carry and ensures I get all the cals and electrolytes. I have been using the concentrated method over a year and used it at two IM races last year.

I belive its BBB who totes a subway sandwich artist with him during IM races. ;)

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azstinger11 posted 14 weeks ago.

yeah I think your right vanjames.

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Toothless posted 14 weeks ago.

Pop-tarts taste great on long rides. No kidding.

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jbird2131 posted 14 weeks ago.

I second pop-tarts on longer rides. If i go over 50 i always pack a ziploc with fig newtons for emergency fuel. 2 cookies have 110 calories. Check it out:
http://www.bicyclesource.com/fig_newton_nutrition
Another helpful link:
http://www.bicyclesource.com/index.php?id=68

have a great and safe ride

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GGehrke posted 14 weeks ago.

Awesome tips everyone! Thanks!
I'm especially liking the sound of pop-tarts and Fig Newtons. Perfect simple, starchy foods.
I do need to do better with sports drinks too. I figure for the long ones I'm going to start carrying my camelbak with plain water and a strong sports drink mix in my bottle. I only have one cage but might pick up a second.

I am leaning toward whimping out on the long ride for this weekend and going for a 50 mile race pace ride instead of the 100 mile epic where I'm sure I'd be slooow. My overall objective for this week is supposed to be speed work rather than adding distance.

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theShiba posted 13 weeks ago.

I like the concentrated mix in one bottle, regular water in the other strategy. That seems to work really well for me, and is way easier on the stomach than gels. I like Gu20 mostly...

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gfd posted 13 weeks ago.

2 bottles of Perpetuam, 2 gels, 3 Ecaps an hour, PBJ sandwich, 1 power bar. This worked perfectly for me last year on all my 100 to 115 mile rides. I never cramped. Biggest problem with comfort from being in the saddle for 6 hours. Pop tarts are the reward for fifishing but would be great on the ride as well.

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RV posted 13 weeks ago.

I also like Perpetuem and some Enduralytes.
Perpetuem you can make as concentrated as needed and then only have to supplement with water.

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jhudalla posted 13 weeks ago.

What about them sodium tablets... anyone have any experience with them?

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RV posted 13 weeks ago.

Enduralytes are sodium plus other minerals that are typically lost through sweating.
They are a must for me. Really helps prevent cramping.

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Captain Mal posted 13 weeks ago.

I am a big fan of the shot blocks too, but I also like to take gels. I'm not hard core enough to make it with no solids though. Even if it is just cliff bars, I like to take something to chew. For how I roll, (slooooowwwww, that is) I don't see a problem with taking a sandwich or cookies....or a milkshake........or some pizza. Hey, you've got the pockets, fill 'em up with the good stuff, right?

My suggestion to prevent bonking is to not neglect nutrition for the first two hours even though you may be feeling fine. Once you slump, it is hard to get enough in the tank to get you back up to speed quickly.

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CarlyBoy posted 13 weeks ago.

You sure can't beat the convenience of Perpetuem or Infinit. One premixed bottle plus water is all you need. Liquid calories will digest more readily. This may not be an issue on a long ride, but hitting the run on a longer triathlon with anything resembling solid food in your gut may cause it to rebel.