Safe calorie deficit?
I think you can probably drop the calories quite a bit. Their advice to keep your metabolism up was aimed at obese people whose metabolism is at a stand still. I think you'll be find dropping the calories to around 1000. If you have enough energy to train, I think you're doing fine. Of course, I'm basing that purely on, well, nothing really.
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First: I'm no expert. I think conventional knowledge is to lose a pound a week, which is about 500 cals a day. It could be that you are too far in deficit and your body is in 'preservation mode,' if you will. Also, remember that weight fluctuates a ton throughout the day, so weigh in a regular times.
How long have you been doing this training for? I would think just cutting back by 500cals a day will eventually have noticeable effects after 3 weeks and still provide enough energy for training. The weight should fall off gradually after that. Also you don't mention if you do any weights...doing weights 2-3 times a week even for 20-30 mins (for endurance phase is normally high reps, lower weights) will mean greater muscle mass and muscle always burns more energy between workouts...also consider that maybe your body doesn't need to lose weight, maybe you just want to lose bodyfat and turn it into muscle. Weight gives you no indication of bodyfat vs muscle.
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Oddly enough, if you cut your total calories by too much, your body will decide it needs fat and will convert more things into fat and will hold on dearly to all fats you take in. From my understanding, you're probably eating too little - I agree more with the 500 calorie a day deficit idea. You don't want the body to decide it needs to hold onto and fat because the total calories are too low.
Also I think cherelli is right too - the more muscle mass you carry, the more fat burning you do for the other 23 hours a day when you're not working out.
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This morning I weighed in at 187. Same age. 2 inches shorter.
Working out 6 days a week, let's call it 60-90 min average per day. I have the same goal weight of 175.
I've been eating 2000 calories a day for about 3 weeks. I've lost 9 pounds over those 3 weeks.
I've been averaging 33% on carb/fat/protein. Not ideal for training but it has kept me sane on the diet in terms of cravings and feeling hungry.
The one day that I only ate 1500 calories I completely bonked on the evening workout. 3 weeks in and I'm starting to feel that I might have to take a few days off the diet to boost the glycogen stores. My legs are starting to feel fatigued quickly. (not surprising).
Can't say for sure you will have the same results but I was surprised at how many of our numbers matched.
Oh, I decided on about 2000 calories because I read an article suggesting to eat the calories needed to support your weight if you didn't exercise at all. Then lose all the weight via calorie deficit through exercise.
I'll race you to 175! Might be the only race I ever win.
Good luck
Restricting calorie intake can work. However, I have had success losing lots of weight by watching what I put into my body rather than how much. Eat like an elephant, look like a gazelle!
It is surprising how much weight comes off once you start taking out white flour, refined sugar, and limiting dairy in your diet. You got it all right with the fruits and veggies, just keep pouring them on!!
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You seem to have the diet on track (if you don't mind, I'll steal your idea of eating one piece of fruit/veggie with every snack/meal). From what I've read, a 500-calorie deficit per day is a good target. The theory (as I understand it), is that 500k per day X 7 days equals a pound per week. I suspect if you shot for 1,000k per day your training would suck due to lack of energy.
A couple of things.
First of all, I think that you are doing a great job and being nicely conservative with your attack at this. As far as your calorie restriction, you are doing pretty good, and I am sure that if you combine hard work with that, results will eventually come. The problem is that you may have reached a plateau in your weight loss, which means you probably need to try something new. Think of it this way: We're all endurance athletes. Training our bodies to endure severe circumstances for sustained periods of time is great exercise. Most people drop quite a bit of weight training for their first marathon. But eventually, they won't lose much more weight from running. Why is that? Well, there are a couple of factors. But, a big one is that their body has become very efficient at running. Their body has figured out how to make running less work, and burn less fuel. So, to compensate for that it's always good to mix it up every once in a while to keep things fresh. (plus you'll have a lot of fun). I like to rock climb, or play soccer to keep things fresh. Maybe you like basketball, or Boxing? You get the idea....
Second, I think that people here might be missing one of the most important parts if calorie deficit calculations. Let's go back a few steps. First, you have to calculate what your Resting Metabolic Rate is. There are tons of resources on the internet that can help you calculate that. (Search "RMR calculator", or "BMR calculator") From there, you can begin to look at how many calories you need per-day to lose, maintain weight. Let's say that I have a BMR of 1750. That means, I am burning 1,750kcal just sitting on my ass in front of the TV. So, if I ate 2,000kcal, I would have a surplus of 250kcal. But, if I do some exercise I am going to find that I have burned some calories. So, let's say that I ran about 3 miles, and burned about 400kcal. Now I'm back down to 1,600kcal—a 150kcal defecit from my BMR, resulting in some marginal loss.
Here's the key with that... I remember reading an article that talked about how athletes can actually lean-out more when they eat more rather than less. The logic? With more fuel you can train harder, and you can create a bigger calorie deficit from training than you can with calorie restriction. So, when calculating your deficit, make sure that you are taking into account how many calories you are burning with your exercise.
Finally, if you really want to be picky about it, consider eating less fruit. Actually, eat just as much fruit, but change when you are eating it. Eating fruit in the middle of the day really doesn't make a whole lot of sense if you are not going to be working out. Remember, fruit is SUGAR. (Frutcose). So, if you eat fruit, then sit in front of the computer, you've just given your body an excuse to not burn fat or other calories that are already in your body. If you are really counting on that fruit as a snack, just make sure that you pick something high in fiber so that it will keep you full for a while. I'm not saying fruit is bad for you... just saying that it matters when you eat things.
I did my base training with around 1200-1500 calories a day. I never didn't have energy....
Last year I started at around 178 and dropped weight pretty rapidly. I actually wasn't trying to lose weight, I just don't eat very much/often. (usually a couple snacks in the day, then a big dinner). And it's a good thing I did this during base, because as soon as the training hours started piling up (as did the intensity) I couldn't stop eating. I was hungry all the time and it would have been extremely difficult to drop weight with my appetite the way it was.
If you're going to lose weight, base is the time to do it. And from my experience, I don't see any negatives to restricting your diet to 1500 calories (your body isn't going to suddenly go into starvation mode and start piling up fat).
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I wouldnt restrict calories as a whole. You need to eat enough to allow you to train. Instead of scaling back crazy amounts of food, simply eat more veggies and fruits than proteins and refined carbs. Eat a decent breakfast, snack on some fruit, moderate lunch, another fruit snack before exercise, and as little as you need to refuel after your evening workout. I find busy foods help reduce hunger. Popcorn, sunflower seeds, etc keep your mouth busy without a whole lotta calories.
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I'm female, 23yo, 5'7, 118lbs..
I restrict to 2,000 calories a day when my weight's crept up a couple of lbs and I need to get back down to size..
From my experience and research that i've done on the subject (I've lost 25lbs in total and am a research nut) about 500-700 calories per day is the most you should go into deficit to be safe.
Quoting Nobody -
"And from my experience, I don't see any negatives to restricting your diet to 1500 calories (your body isn't going to suddenly go into starvation mode and start piling up fat)."
Your body WILL store fat if you don't feed it enough.. it doesn't take long for this to happen either..







So, after watching Biggest Loser last night, I have this question; What is a reasonable (or safe) calorie deficit for endurance training in the base phase?
I’m 6’ 0”, 37, 187#, male, base phase training for 45-60 min. daily. I figure I currently need about 2900 calories a day while training. However, I am trying to lose some weight (my target is 175#), while I do my base phase training. I’ve been trying to get between 1500-2000 calories per day. So, is a 1000-1500 calorie deficit too much? One of the weight loss tips they gave on Biggest Loser was making sure you "eat enough calories to keep your metabolism going, while still maintaining a deficit to lose weight". I feel like my metabolism is doing just fine. I always eat a good breakfast, then a small snack, a good lunch, then another small snack, then a reasonable diner. I try and space all that out so I never go more than 2 or 2-1/2 hours without eating something. I eat tons of fresh fruit and vegetables. My goal is to eat either a fruit or vegetable every time I eat whether it’s snack time or mealtime. And I drink tons of water, never any soda, and one or two cups of black coffee each day (usually decaffeinated).
However, despite all this, my weight loss seems to be at a stand still right now. I’ve wondered if it has anything to do with when I do my training. Some days it works out better to train first thing in the morning, other days I don’t get to it until late in the evening, but I always get it done, and still manage to get at least 7 hours of sleep.
Any thoughts? I’m not terribly concerned about this, just curious what everybody thinks. Thanks.
Bill Schmitt