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A couple of guys in my tri-club avoid alcohol completely because of it's negative impact on performance. I haven't seen any studies on this to prove it one way or another. My feel is that, in moderation, it won't have a huge impact for a recreational age grouper like myself.

Beer is jokingly referred to as "carbohydrate replacement therapy" or CRT in our household. (Hey dad, need a CRT?). Then there are the flavinoids in my glass of red wine!

What is your strategy on booze?

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UFTriGator posted 44 weeks ago.

Slows recovery. I avoid alcohol altogether (then make up for missed time in a huge binge!)

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CadenceGuy posted 44 weeks ago.

UFTriGator wrote:
Slows recovery. I avoid alcohol altogether (then make up for missed time in a huge binge!)

HAHAHA...there yah go!!!

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driggins posted 44 weeks ago.

i juice up several times/week. couldn't get through the week without.

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gfd posted 44 weeks ago.

It's good for the heart, or at least that is what I tell myself. Currently on a Belgian Beer kick.
It's so good when it hits the lips.

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jbird2131 posted 44 weeks ago.

i attempt to avoid alcohol. being in college that can be tough. at most ill drink once a week. but i have read about many elite level triathletes (peter reid & belinda granger) who drink a glass of wine (2 max) with their dinner on a nightly basis. as you said, in moderation alcohol has minimal effects on the recovery process. as an age grouper i like to think i am competitive, but you have to live it up once in a while to keep things fresh. i try to take this approach with my diet as well. ill eat healthy 6 days out of the week, but there is ALWAYS one day where i eat whatever i want. this gives me something to look forward to when im eating my egg whites, and in return prevents binge eating.

anyway back to the topic of alcohol.... is there anything better than a cold beer after a brutal race?

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Tribro posted 44 weeks ago.

I hear shots of Jack and a beer or two can help you win the Tour de France, but not sure if there is any scientific data to support that. :)

I'm fairly certain many of the european pro cyclists enjoy their beer, but am sure they abstain (sp?) during peak season.

A couple interesting things with a quick google search:
http://www.pponline.co.uk/encyc/0220.htm
http://www.nmnathletics.com/attachments1/503.htm?DB_OEM_ID=5800

interesting topic...

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JDB posted 44 weeks ago.

I'm racing IM Louisville but live in CA so I am drinking exclusively mint juleps to "climatize" my body. It's like high altitude training, and while I don't get any stronger or faster, I do get better looking! Everything in moderation.
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longhair posted 44 weeks ago.

Once I got serious about training, beer suddenly stopped tasting good to me. I never liked wine or hard alcohol, but I always liked a beer when I was out. I have not drank one in almost two years. I was only an occasional drinker anyway.

Pizza on the other hand...breakfast lunch and dinner if I could. :)

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Triguy98 posted 44 weeks ago.

longhair wrote:
Once I got serious about training, beer suddenly stopped tasting good to me. I never liked wine or hard alcohol, but I always liked a beer when I was out.

Yeah, me too. Then I found good beers. IPAs and the like. Tasty stuff. And it'll fuck you up. Just the way I like it.

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Tribro posted 44 weeks ago.

longhair wrote:
Once I got serious about training, beer suddenly stopped tasting good to me.

If beer stopped tasting good, you weren't drinking the right kind. If you're ever in my neck of the woods I'll get you hooked again. :)

Have to have my IPA every now and then, but I do try to stay away from the stuff if I have a long workout the next day, they can make me drag a bit.

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gfd posted 44 weeks ago.

Is Rogue in you neck of the woods? I thought I rememberd reading Oregon on the label. I had a Dead Guy Ale not too long ago. Fantastic. As well as the Shakespeare Stout and every other product they brew.

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UFTriGator posted 44 weeks ago.

gfd wrote:
Is Rogue in you neck of the woods? I thought I rememberd reading Oregon on the label. I had a Dead Guy Ale not too long ago. Fantastic. As well as the Shakespeare Stout and every other product they brew.

At least Rogue looks out for the well-being of the triathlete by selling their beers in such small bottles.... :D

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azstinger11 posted 44 weeks ago.

I had the rogue Christmas beer, stuff was bitter I think it was a 45 ibu beer, which to me is just over board. Currently I'm on a Beck's Dark kick. But I only try and have a few beers a week, to me honestly its like why do I put myself through all this training if every once in a while I can't sit back and enjoy some small indulgences.

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johnny_Toronto posted 44 weeks ago.

When the topic starts as a question about whether alchohol has a negative impact on training, and the thread turns into recommendations for superior tasting beers, you know where triathlete's hearts are. (At least on this forum!).

I like JDB's strategy of aclimatization not just with temperature but with geographically appropriate spirits. I hear some Margheritas calling my name for my next race in CA, JDB!

Thanks for your comments everyone!

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Socket posted 44 weeks ago.

Beer is good for training, gives you something to work off the next day :-) Can't say no to a nice Rogue, Magic Hat, Blue Point, Brooklyn, Samuel Smith, Spaten, Chimay, etc... ;-)

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Brad Nicholson posted 44 weeks ago.

i figure that with two plus hours of training per day i can afford a few glasses of wine or a beer once in a while...i drink wine with dinner probably three nights a week and have a beer about once or twice a month.

now if we were talking coffee i'd be screwed! and lemon cake for that matter....hard to believe i keep even at 150pds!

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MetalOnslaught posted 43 weeks ago.

Glad to see that people have good taste here. Samuel Smith, Chimay, Rogue... The list could continue. A new bar just opened in my area, which serves a lot of Belgian Beer. Good thing I'm not too hardcore about training right now I guess.

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catwood posted 43 weeks ago.

I guess I'm weird, but I really don't like beer. I like red wine and I like peppermint schnapps in hot cocoa... That's really about it and I indulge infrequently and in moderation.

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Star posted 43 weeks ago.

The group I run with enjoy a cold beverage after running 20+ miles (ok, after EVERY run!), but someone would have to drive this girl home if I had a beer after a workout. Once January hits, I lean toward the no-drinking policy. I'll have a glass of red wine on occasion, but stay clear of hard liquor. I'm no goody-goody...I too endulged myself during the entire month of December ;) But for me, drinking is not conducive to training (this strong conclusion came to me while on the bike after a night of tequila shots).

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jmcglos posted 43 weeks ago.

I always have 1 beer on Wednesday nights - it breaks up the week nicely. Other than Wednesday, I don't normally drink M, T, Thu during the week. Friday nights are always red wine night in our house. Depending on the training schedule for the weekend, I may or may not drink Saturday. Sunday night is always red wine night as well......oh, and an occasional tequila shot or scotch/bourbon on the rocks, but that's very rare!

In the years I've been training, I've found drinking doesn't really have an impact on my training (unless of course I drink too much but I usually know how much and when to stop - it's taken practice, but I've got it down to a science by now!). And the night before a big race, I have a ritual beer before going to bed. The one time I drank no alcohol the night before a race, it was my worst race ever (not sure if the lack of alcohol was the reason, but I'd like to believe it so!)

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Tamara posted 43 weeks ago.

We tend to have wine with dinner probably 3-4 nights a week. In addition to tris, I love to cook and we collect wine and love trying new stuff that friends find. I've never liked beer, but will have a margarita or two on a hot summer night relaxing on the patio.

Drink too much, everything suffers not just training. But, I've been known to have a glass of wine with dinner the night before a race (including in a Paris bistro before the Paris Marathon in 2004), and I've never seen a real difference in performance from those races when I didn't have a drink the night beforehand.

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Nobody posted 43 weeks ago.

I go through 5 bottles of wine a week. I've had sleep issues my whole life and wine is about the safest thing I've tried that will shut my mind down/let my body relax enough to let me fall asleep.

My biggest issue seems to be recovering from injury--I have no problems recovering quicky from workouts and races, but f'in eh if I injure something it never heals fully. I'm experimenting with cutting back on my alcohol consumption to see what kind of effect that has. We shall see....

I think if you're a recreational triathlete like me (~12 hrs. training a week at most, 5 hr. 1/2 Ironman finish times, sub 13 hr 140.6) it's really not going to have much of an impact. For the hardcore guys out there who finish an hour or two in front of guys like me, I'm sure the negative effects would be far more pronounced.

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Socket posted 43 weeks ago.

Just had ~5 Stone Pale Ales and a half a bag of doritos last night and the run this morning felt fine. (fantastic really, moving to my new apartment over the weekend had me all stressed out) Beyond that, Thursday is bowling night and I think its league rules that you drink at least a pitcher a night ;-) Its cross-training... really...

I'll agree with Nobody that it depends on how serious you are about it. At ~5 hours of training a week right now... I'd only feel the effects if I got totally trashed. Which I did last year before a 10k on horse trails, and eating a bacon, egg, and cheese sandwich 5 minutes before starting the race, which was actually 10 minutes after the race started.

Whats the definition of "recreational athlete" again?

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oztrigal posted 43 weeks ago.

I have no 'off switch' when it comes to drinking.. It's either all or nothing. So I tend to try and stick to nothing within a couple of weeks of races, because when I go all I always skip the workout the next day..

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sourbubblegum1 posted 42 weeks ago.

i think it is bad only because triathletes train heavily and training with alcohol consumption causes severe dehydration or hypoglycemia. =(

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zanzabar88 posted 40 weeks ago.

I have 1-2 drinks nearly every day. In fact I had an excellent 6-mile training run on the ice last night after two pints of tasty pale-ale homebrew. I am convinced that there are NO training side effects of alcohol, EXCEPT for it being a diuretic. If you drink a glass of water for every drink you'll notice nothing. And there are very significant health benefits from both (good quality) beer and wine. I don't bother with hard alcohol.

Nothing beats a big frosty beer or glass of red wine the night before a marathon to calm the nerves and help you sleep! (Just make sure you hydrate with that extra glass of water!)

With that said, if you have other issues with alcohol...like "it's either all the way, or not at all" then please use your better judgement and stay away from the stuff.

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tri-ac posted 40 weeks ago.

zanzabar88 wrote:
In fact I had an excellent 6-mile training run on the ice last night after two pints of tasty pale-ale homebrew.

[not being obnoxious] that's sort of impressive...but then again, not all that commendable...maybe it makes the ice hurt less if you were to stumble?

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With that said, if you have other issues with alcohol...like "it's either all the way, or not at all" then please use your better judgement and stay away from the stuff.

Agreed.

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tbs_craig posted 37 weeks ago.

The harder i train the more i crave beer.
Cycling and beer pretty much go hand in hand, all the fast racers i know in my area enjoy beer quite a bit.

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zcowgirl3 posted 36 weeks ago.

Ahh yes, when I was scrolling through the 'recents' and came to this ? I giggled. With now being back in the swing of things again I keep the consumption WAY lower than I used to a year ago. I am a beer girl and no one mentioned Yingling (sp.) and that my friends is an amazing beer but when I go out I'm the vodka tonic gal (grey goose) and occasionally a Mich. Ultra. However, Yingling is for special occasions and don't feel guilty. That too being my boyfriend and I don't put beer in the fridge anymore to avoid more consumption, usually put in the garage. Wine even after one glass just gives me headaches.

You're talking to someone who was a consist to hardly not anymore drinker and it makes a difference let me tell ya! This St. P's day was an exception after my 5 miler, my legs killed the next day--more water before beer. (ouch!)

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Joe_H posted 36 weeks ago.

for medicinal purposes I drink a glass of red wine a night (no job actually helps lower my blood sugars) but may have a beer once in while and a binge every blue moon.

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reidthecat posted 36 weeks ago.

I got into triathlons to quit, quit, quit , drinking, however the last one I did a beer was handed to me upon completion, which I drank and still regret. I had many more. To each his own!

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Dannyboy posted 35 weeks ago.

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ChunkyB posted 35 weeks ago.

Dannyboy wrote:
"Work hard, Play hard!"

You forgot to add "die young".

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llrauh posted 33 weeks ago.

Work hard, play hard...and die young??? No wayyyyy. I am going to live a long life, an I believe that I should be able to play hard if I work hard!! Not saying that I play hard ALL the time, but come on. We have to reward ourselves somehow. A glass of red wine every night will not kill me. Also, if I happen to a have a few too many (hopefully NOT pre-race night) I think that's OK too. Moderation is key, be smart, don't overdo it. To each his own! I won't tell any one what they can or can't drink!

However, Trader Joe's wine is cheap and GOOD. Right up my alley.

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brittda posted 33 weeks ago.

llrauh wrote:
Work hard, play hard...and die young??? No wayyyyy. I am going to live a long life, an I believe that I should be able to play hard if I work hard!! Not saying that I play hard ALL the time, but come on. We have to reward ourselves somehow. A glass of red wine every night will not kill me. Also, if I happen to a have a few too many (hopefully NOT pre-race night) I think that's OK too. Moderation is key, be smart, don't overdo it. To each his own! I won't tell any one what they can or can't drink!

However, Trader Joe's wine is cheap and GOOD. Right up my alley.

OHH and FYI when my girlfriend (that is girl who is a friend) and I were in Paso Robles recently visiting the wineries we learned an interesting tid bit about Trader Joe's Two Buck Chuck(which is actually $3 here, but I digress). Any hoo. TJ buys their wine in bulk from the popular wineries down there and rebottle with their lable. I guess the wine drinking employees taste test the different lots and then note the case # so they can go in and buy all the good stuff. So you could actually be buying a $30 bottle of wine when you go in there, and why there are some drastic differences from bottle to bottle.

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Socket posted 33 weeks ago.

I think its hilarious every time I go to Trader Joes and there's people with 2-3 cases of the stuff in their carts. I like wine, but if I have one bottle a month, that'd be it.

Beer on the other hand... just picked up a pack of Arrogant Bastard and big bottle of Stone's Imperial Russian Stout that disappeared pretty quick ;-)

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Milesofsmiles15 posted 21 weeks ago.

Random question

Before my first HIM last summer i ended up getting drunk 3 times the week before my race (i know, very irresponsible choice, stupid, i could have thrown away months of training, i regret the decision) One of the nights was the night before the night before. My race went better than i could have ever imagined. I went faster on the 56 mile bike course than i had even managed to hold for 20 miles in my training, had never even biked past 40 miles in training, then I ran faster over 13 miles than i had the entire summer. did i get extremely lucky and somehow carbo-load perfectly for my race?

For the record since then i have reevaluated both my training and drinking habits and changed them for the better

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KitKat posted 21 weeks ago.

Alcohol messed this triathlete up. 2 1/2 days in Vegas.. using alcohol as your main source of hydration is NOT a good idea. It was an endurance weekend for sure.
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trigirltina2 posted 21 weeks ago.

Tribro wrote:
longhair wrote:
Once I got serious about training, beer suddenly stopped tasting good to me.

If beer stopped tasting good, you weren't drinking the right kind. If you're ever in my neck of the woods I'll get you hooked again. :)

Have to have my IPA every now and then, but I do try to stay away from the stuff if I have a long workout the next day, they can make me drag a bit.

Coach says beer is carbo loading....

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theShiba posted 20 weeks ago.

Thought I'd chime-in here, since this thread is magically still going...

I pretty much stopped drinking altogether, and I feel much better. I never drink beer anymore, and will have only the occasional glass of red wine. I think I've dropped a few pounds since dropping the beer too...

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Donna posted 20 weeks ago.

I definitely haven't quit for good but I stopped drinking a month ago in prep for IMLP and have lost that last pesky 5lbs (check with me next week, maybe that'll be 6 ;) For me, alcohol is extra calories not to mention, it weakens my resolve to not eat that chocolate cake or that chips and salsa or those french fries or that ice cream....hmm, I can't wait until after the race! :)

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JMA posted 20 weeks ago.

I like beer (and whiskey, etc.). In fact, I probably exercise sometimes so that I don't feel guilty about putting a few down. I generally will cut down on consumption leading up to an important race, but then I'll celebrate afterwards with good food and good drink.