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started by MAggie on January 10, 2008

So as I'm just finishing up my search for the garmin 305 I find out that garmin is putting out the 405, so now I'm thinking about waiting till that comes out and getting that. Anyone have any thoughts on this one?

http://www8.garmin.com/ces/forerunner/index.html

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Iron Dan posted 34 weeks ago.

If it were me, I would wait till the 405 comes out.

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ryanweeg posted 34 weeks ago.

I have the 305 and really like it. But for $100 more you can get the touch wheel and a smaller overall package. I would wait too if you like that green color which I would assume would be the womens color.

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Airborne posted 34 weeks ago.

I also have the 305, and it works perfectly. I wouldn't ask for anything more ... except perhaps a smaller, sleeker package. Oh wait, that's the 405!

Yeah, the 405 looks awesome. If it works as well as the 305, I'd say it's a no-brainer. Plus, it has wireless docking.

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wayphun posted 34 weeks ago.

The 205 and 305 work great but I would wait and get the 405, you can actually wear it like a watch and not look like you have some James Bond apparatus strapped around your arm. BTW - Amazon.com has the best price on the 205 and 305 if you decide not to wait for the 405. I heard that the 405 should be out for sale this week since they were waiting for the Consumer Electronic Show in Vegas.

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cjhoffmn posted 34 weeks ago.

There were two pretty good threads on Slowtwitch about the 405 and a comparison to the 305. I don't remember all the details, but my impression was that there were some feature reductions on the 405 that would give me pause to switching up to it from my 305. Worth it to really look at it, especially if you have and like a 305.

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gwelin posted 34 weeks ago.

The 405 doesn't have the one touch feature when changing from cycling to running... just something to look into before committing

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tsilcyc posted 34 weeks ago.

I don't think the 405 was designed with multisport in mind. I believe it is geared towards running. It has the footpod but I don't believe it talks to the cadence sensor. I like using my 305 on the bike and although the 405 is smaller, I don't think I'll upgrade. You've gotta think that's the next logical step though. This stuff is getting smaller and smaller. The 305 is half the size of the 201. Give it another year or so and there will be a 505(?) that does it all.

Ok, maybe I'm just wishing but I'm waiting to see.

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Sully800 posted 34 weeks ago.

The wireless data transfer is awesome! Instead of having to attach the unit to a cord to transfer data, it does it automatically just by entering the room? Sweet!

But I'd be interested in hearing about the possible downgrades from the 305....and since I just got my 305 this summer I won't upgrade unless I need to for some reason.

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kylie posted 34 weeks ago.

Downgrades (if I remember right) include an EVEN LOWER BATTERY TIME (the deal breaker for me) and no alerts (time or distance -- which I really like in an IM as eat/drink reminders).

I'll stick with my 301 until something comes out good enough to get me to switch ;)

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cjhoffmn posted 34 weeks ago.

Those were some of the biggies for me too Kylie.

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Sully800 posted 34 weeks ago.

Yeah, a shorter battery life wouldn't really allow you to do IM's with the 405. And I guess the transition away from multisport to heavily emphasized run features would be a deal breaker.

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wirebook posted 34 weeks ago.

I agree - the lack of multisport mode is a serious bummer. It's odd, because they offer all of the other features other than simply pressing a button to change modes. Meaning, it's just firmware - and not physical.

I'm hoping if enough people pressure them, they'll update the firmware to allow switching modes. Posting a comment to the 405 threads on Garmin's blog is a good start: Http://garmin.blog.com

I would imagine the tri community makes up a small (but noticble) chunk of thier 305 revenue stream.

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wayphun posted 33 weeks ago.

I just got trough running the Disney Marathon and at the EXPO Garmin had the 405. Polar still makes better looking watches for daily use in my opinion but I love the features from Garmin. The lady at the booth said that the 405 is still in BETA testing and should only hit the market after March.

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wirebook posted 33 weeks ago.

Btw, Garmin just posted a whole slew of answers in a big Q&A post at:

http://garmin.blogs.com/my_weblog/2008/01/pegs-posts-q-as.html

Availability by end of February. Still suckage on multisport mode.

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Gary3 posted 33 weeks ago.

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Sully800 posted 33 weeks ago.

So for the 705 they are returning a longer battery life, time/distance alerts and multisport mode? Why drop them from the 405 then?

Both look exciting at least!

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ChunkyB posted 32 weeks ago.

Sully800 wrote:
So for the 705 they are returning a longer battery life, time/distance alerts and multisport mode? Why drop them from the 405 then?

I'm assuming it has something to do with size and weight.

If it were me, I would get the 305. I don't see any huge advantages to the 405, and I use mine as a bike computer more than a running computer (simply because I bike more than I run) and I like the bigger display that can show distance, speed, HR, and cadence at the same time, in big enough numbers to see.

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kylie posted 32 weeks ago.

for the price of the 705 I'd get a power meter :)

But I like my 301 just fine.

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wirebook posted 32 weeks ago.

The only advantage of the 405 over the 305 is the size. Unfortunately everything else is a serious bummer. Well...they do have wireless sync added, but you have to have a USB done, so it's a net-nothing.

I'll use the 405 for training (cause it's smaller), and then the 305 for races (due to multisport mode). Well...we'll see anyway.

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michael15huffaker posted 26 weeks ago.

I heard that the 405 might have a stronger signal, but they weren't sure. If anyone has any information on this let me know.

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