bike/run/swim/ training balance
Hi Scott,
I'm definitely no expert here but have swum and played sports since I was a kid, currently training for a half ironman. A friend of mine with a strong running background decided to do an Olympic tri a few years ago and really struggled with the swimming idea; in fact he was quite similar to yourself from the sounds of it. Anyway he swum 2-3 times a week on his own and I spent a few sessions with him just watching and making suggestions on his technique to improve his swimming efficiency (which I'd liked to think helped!). He felt quite comfortable doing breastroke, just not so much with freestyle. Anyway, before he went to the tri I suggested that if at any time he felt too tired or struggling from not enough oxygen/poor technique he should just revert back to some strokes of breaststroke until he got his breath back and he felt comfortable enough to continue freestyle. He did this, made it through the swim in a pleasing time and then kicked butt on the bike and run.
Anyway, from this experience I'd suggest at least a couple of swim sessions fork out for a private coaching session so someone can suggest techniques to make you more efficient in the water and maybe even recommend a couple of different swim program ideas (eg. pyramid intervals for endurance, drill sets, kick, pull etc).
Apart from that, have confidence in what you are doing; 2-3 times a week should be fine to get through the spri ntdistance swim. If you have a swim stroke you feel more comfortable doing - breaststroke, sidestroke, even backstroke - include those in some parts of your swim training (doing different stokes works a wider range of muscles anyway). Use them in the race as your "fallback stroke" if you want to as well - just as a person such as me (aka a swimmer not a runner) will use walking as my "fallback" for the run in my tri if I really have to, you can do the same in the swim. It's your first tri so don't put any pressure on yourself to finish in a time - making the distance any way you can is what counts, what does it matter how long it takes? Believe me there will be other people just like you in the race, hangin' out at the "social" end of the pack in the swim only to work their way back up through the pack in their more comfortable legs (and pass those swimmers)! I hope you enjoy it, I'm sure you'll do just fine!
it's odd that you would mention that because today I did some 75m repeats and probably did the half of each of those in backstroke
backstroke is so much easier for me becuase I can breathe whenever I want
I'm thinking that since my strategy is basically to finish the swim without the assistance of a lifegaurd, that I'm going to slowly increase my distances and although I will focus on form and fresstyle as much as possible, when I just can't go on in freestyle, I'll roll over to baskstroke for 30 seconds and get my lungs back
its wierd but my arms aren't getting that tired, but I just can't handle the timing of the breathing......i feel like my sister looks when she has an asthma attack
thanks for the encouragement
It is better to hurt from doing something than from doing nothing...
First Triathlon (400m/20k/2.75mile) 1:39.15 including 33 minutes in the water
Without seeing you, it's hard to tell what's going on. One thing I might suggest is slowing down. If you're having problems breathing, go slower. Go slow enough to not run out of breath. Keep going at that pace until you successfully swim without having to roll over.
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I've got to work on the slowing down thing.......as someone who has never swam 75m before, it's completely foreign to me
I've got a few friends who are swimmers and they all basically say I've just got to put in the hours in the pool
It is better to hurt from doing something than from doing nothing...
First Triathlon (400m/20k/2.75mile) 1:39.15 including 33 minutes in the water
My little brother did 2 sprints last summer, and I don't think he ever swam more than 100m without stopping (races included!). At the triathlon he would swim from one lifeguard to the next and stop to rest at their board. He wasn't the only one doing this, so you will not be alone.
I just gave him the Total Immersion book at Christmas, and he said it has a lot of good tips. One of his main problems that I noticed is that when his head is in the water, he exhales very little, nor not at all. He waits until his head is above water to exhale and inhale. I'm not sure if this is common for beginning swimmers, or unique to him.
I'm still working on the breathing out thing, I tend to either drag it out real slow or exhale hard like i've been punched in the stomach....
three days now in the pool in the last 10 years
It is better to hurt from doing something than from doing nothing...
First Triathlon (400m/20k/2.75mile) 1:39.15 including 33 minutes in the water
Experience will bring you a long way by the time your triathlon arrives. Just stick with the training and you will begin to feel much more comfortable with the water, and you will learn how to breathe appropriately. Having a coach look at your stroke is always a good thing, but I think just spending time in the water will be enough since you are so inexperienced with it. Good luck! Swimming is a blast once you get it down
One day, soon, it will just click. As soon as you find your breathing rhythem you are set for impoving distances. You will be amazed at how quickly you will be able to double and triple your distance. Then you can start to work on stroke technique with some confidence.
That's what I hear.......my buddy (a swimmer) told me that most of the competitive ones swim 6-7 days a week and that just being in the water a lot can help your form (to a certain degree) but with my level of horrible technique even time is a great coach
luckily, the pool I go to is a primarily deserted, heated, public pool......the last two saturdays Ive gone it has been me and 4 lifeguards for an hour and half.......they're all so bored they can't help coaching me :)
thanks for the encouragement
It is better to hurt from doing something than from doing nothing...
First Triathlon (400m/20k/2.75mile) 1:39.15 including 33 minutes in the water
From a swimmer:
Long hours in the pool are pointless if your form is no good. Practice swimming PROPERLY. When you get so tired that you're sloppy, call it the end of your workout. It could mean reducing the length of your workout for now, but you'll become more efficient in time.
I apologize for the confusion, the reason I'm there so long is I have to rest a good while between repeats and becuase I swim pretty slow
I take turns really focusing on different aspects of my stroke and trying to keep all the others there as well.....
it's gotten a lot better and now leaning side to side is getting more natural as is my head position but i have a long way to go
It is better to hurt from doing something than from doing nothing...
First Triathlon (400m/20k/2.75mile) 1:39.15 including 33 minutes in the water
From a swimmer:
Long hours in the pool are pointless if your form is no good. Practice swimming PROPERLY. When you get so tired that you're sloppy, call it the end of your workout. It could mean reducing the length of your workout for now, but you'll become more efficient in time.
I concur with that. This past year I changed my stroke to a more effecient relaxed stroke (The total Immersion method) and I was really amazed how strong muscle memory can be. Even after spending hours swimming with my new stroke I found in the heat of compitition that my old stroke would rear its head. I guess the point is that if your new to the water, ensure that you are committing the proper form to muscle memory.
Goals in writing are dreams with deadlines – Brian Tracy
2008 Sprint Tri A race goals
S: 500m in 10:00 – FS Stroke only
B: 22mph avg over course
R: 5K <= 25:00
Place top 50% for my age group
Hi Scott,
I was in pretty much the same place as you this time last year, I totally understand where you are at!! I remember the sense of pride the first time I swam 4 lengths in a row without stopping... that's how bad of a swimmer I was!! My first season training in the pool I pretty much churned out lengths until I became 'comfortable' enough to complete 750m. I completed my swim at my race with a distinct 'I hate swimming' feeling; I finished but man it took a lot out of me!! I gave swimming a rest for a few weeks, only to discover I really wanted to do more triathlons, but decided I needed some serious work on the swim part. I went to a Total Immersion instructor for a 3 hour session, by far the best money I have ever spent. As a result over the last 3 months I've pretty much developed an entirely new stroke, and taken almost 2 minutes off my 750 m time. So... you can continue to churn out lengths until you are 'comfortable' or get some instruction, TI or not and really learn good technique. If you are serious about doing more than just one season of Tris it will be a good investment, I went from hating the swim to really enjoying it. I may not be super fast just yet, but I've got a good base now and I can see a future in triathlons for me!! Best of luck to you.





I'm looking for some confirmation/correction on my training schedule for a sprint triathon in mid-march. (400m/12miles/2.7miles) after about 7 years of doing nothing and gaining weight
I'm in what I consider to be pretty rough shape (I used to be a cross country runner) but as I'm back training just since thanksgiving I'm proud of my progress.....I can go out and run 5 miles without being winded and 45 on the stationary trainer is no big deal at all (I'm still saving for a bike and will borrow one for the race) but I can't swim for anything.......I just found a pool to swim laps at and have been at it for about a week and can currently do 10x50 for my main set and am hoping to be adding 25m to my repeats until I'm up to about 2000m in the pool. I only train an hour a day (with the exception of long run and bike days which I'll cap at 90 minutes once I get there.....the 5mile runs aren't even an hour)
anyway my planned schedule one day off a week, 3 days swimming, and all other days alternate between running and biking (with running and biking I also have a rotation of endurance, tempo, and intervals)
is this gonna get me through the swim? or do I need more? do I back swimming down to 2 days once I can swim a standard sprint distance (750m)?
I'm not that prideful that suffering in the swim will scare me off from triathlons but a dnf will probably make me cry.....i hate not finishing anything.....I've already befriended the lifegaurds for some freebie technique tips and spend alot of time watching the 1500m freestyle on youtube (grant hackett is unknown to me but he's a beast).......so basically I'll try anything to make it work
thanks for any help all
scott
It is better to hurt from doing something than from doing nothing...
First Triathlon (400m/20k/2.75mile) 1:39.15 including 33 minutes in the water