Have you ever done Base training right?
This in my opinion would be the best thing you could do.
I got the opportunity to train properly this year for the first time ever, so started in March 2 weeks after IM NZ with a 20 week aerobic base plan. I used a heart rate monitor and worked out my zones for running and cycling. I then stuck religiously to the plan, which was harder than you would think, some days you just want to blast out the door and see how fast you could go. I then did 11 weeks of speed work prior to IM WA. In short; time at IMNZ 12:15, time at WA 10:03. I was fortunate to do a bit of simple testing with one of our sport physiologists. We looked at aerobic coupling at the 18 week stage. Bascially if your aerobic fitness is at its peak your HR should closely follow your power output. Thus as you start to lose glycogen and tire and your power output falls, your HR will fall in a direct manner. If you are unfit your HR can stay elevated or increase if you are badly out of shape. I think Brendon Downey has some stuff on this subject on this website. Mine stayed easily within 5% the whole way thru so I was felt the training plan had done the trick. A similar effect occured in IM WA.
Additionally the strength and endurance built up gradually protects you from injury, which I guess is as important as anything
Go for 16 weeks of solid aerobic work, up the intensity a couple of months out and see how you go.
yes, we are doing the 30 runs in 30 days (a bunch of us) Z1 running. It's important to be consistent no matter how much you do. It's also ok to blast a run or bike here and there if you feel good, but the key is to do everything in Z1 and low Z2 95% of the time. It works if you train right. Once you start the interval stuff there is a very noticable difference. E.g., for me, I had a very strong base and come time for training for a 10k I ran intervals for a while and improved my 10k from 44min to 40min. Things just seemed to click after doing alot of base once I put some speed into the equation. Read Mark Allen and follow it religeously. You WILL improve. Keep to base Z1 low Z2 never really going An, and if so only for a very little bit of time, like for running to keep form. Like, you can toss in a couple of short pick-ups per run, to maintain a bit of proper fast running form, say 20 to 30 seconds per pick-up max. But till the new year, the really important thing is to actually get proper rest/recovery now so that you can progress next season.
Further, for now till Jan rest a bit too. You won't "lose" fitness per se, but all of the nagging aches and pains of the race season will have time to resolve, as well as getting back the urge mentally to get back into hard intervals again at the outset of racing season. You should feel totally pissed off that you can't do any significant training until January...then you know you're fully recovered and ready to go with consistent work.. Here is a great script by Allen you should read:
http://alancouzens.blogspot.com/2007/11/making-most-of-your-preparatory-...
I hope you have read Mark's posts as well:
http://www.markallenonline.com/Base.asp
http://www.markallenonline.com/speed.asp
http://www.markallenonline.com/offseason.asp
Good luck and Definitely do alot of base. It will pay off!
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I don't think you're going to find many people around who will argue against base being important. Jacmun and BBB are right that you need it and that it will improve your times, but I do disagree with one thing. I think time spent in Z1 is wasted time from an aerobic point of view. Of course, sometimes you need recovery days to work all the crap out of your legs, which is where Z1 riding and running comes into play. My base rides are completely aerobic the whole time, but they're still not easy. I'll sit in Z2/Z3 for 3 or 4 hours at a time (mostly Z3). Those are the rides that are going to make you stronger.
If someone is just starting out, they'll probably see tons of improvement from Z1/Z2 workouts, but if you already have several years under your belt (sounds like you do from your post), you'll get a lot more benefit from working out in Z3 IMO.
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UFTriGator,
I here what you are saying about time in Z1. I would say that I have trained similar to your approach. But see thats my problem, I drift up especially while running to Z2/Z3 on easy runs. Doing the base training right is going to require me to really run slowly and ride controlled, but yet I want to adhere to the rules cause what I have been doing in the past hasn't worked for the endurance events.
What do you think about doing Z1/Z2 work for 16-20 weeks and yet run a 80-90% effort 5K once every 6 weeks ? Will that interfere greatly with the base one is trying to build?
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Someone posted a spreadsheet with all the different methods of determining zones. Which method are we using here?
I think the most common is the one where you run 30 min hard, measuring your average HR over the last 20 min. I know that's to determine your LT, but if you plug it into the spreadsheet, it lists your Z1, Z2, Z3, Z4a, Z4b, and Z5 I think.
Lots of different schools of thought on this one. Personally, I don't find that doing Z1 only stuff works for me (and yes, I tried it one year).
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While I dont advocate Z1 ALL the time during base, I wont go above Z3 unless it happens during drills. My long rides and runs are Z1/ Z2. I pretty much stick to Friel's outline, and it has worked very well for me.
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I don't think you're going to find many people around who will argue against base being important. Jacmun and BBB are right that you need it and that it will improve your times, but I do disagree with one thing. I think time spent in Z1 is wasted time from an aerobic point of view. Of course, sometimes you need recovery days to work all the crap out of your legs, which is where Z1 riding and running comes into play. My base rides are completely aerobic the whole time, but they're still not easy. I'll sit in Z2/Z3 for 3 or 4 hours at a time (mostly Z3). Those are the rides that are going to make you stronger.If someone is just starting out, they'll probably see tons of improvement from Z1/Z2 workouts, but if you already have several years under your belt (sounds like you do from your post), you'll get a lot more benefit from working out in Z3 IMO.
Why do you think the adaptations will be better in zone 3 as apposed to zone 1 or 2?
Novices will easily venture into zone 3 due to their lack of endurance. Spending time in zone 1 and 2 will develop that endurance (mitochondrial develop and capillarisation).
The biggest issue I have with people spending time in zone 3 is that it will never give you an opportunity to be able to double the amount of time you can spend training in zone 1 or 2. Therefore the people that are training in zone 1 and 2 will have the opportunity to train twice as much. Don't you think the long terms adaptations to this will be better then spending 1/2 the time training in zone 3?
I actually believe your recovery costs are too high in zone 3. As triathletes we are trying to juggle 3 disciplines into one week. Spending too much time in zone 3 will only take away from the opportunities that could be spent enhancing your aerobic developments in all 3 disciplines. By spending time more time in zone 1 and 2 your reducing your recovery times. Therefore, doing things like 2 sessions per day, double runs days, PM to AM runs, brick sessions become much more benefical and realistic to the demands of a triathlon.
Intensity has a habit of killing the minimal volume required to achieve the biggest gains. This is why people aren't achieving anywhere near their true potential because they think intensity can substitute volume. It just doesn't work like that.
If your serious about improving your aerobic capacity then you probably need to reduce the intensity and start training more. Doing 3 sessions PW for each discipline is a great way to introduce yourself to triathlons, but that is as far as it goes. It's an introduction to triahtlons. If your serious about improving your results then you need to start thinking about doing 4-5 sessions PW in each discipline. That's triahtlon training. There is no avoiding this. Even if your were to look at doing 4-5 sessions PW in each discipline it will still fall well short of a typical recovery week for a swimmer, cyclist or runner.
We barely do the minimal training at the best of times. Introduce intensity into the equation and then it just becomes that much mor complicated
Paul
Lots of different schools of thought ...
... and you'll find as many answers as you'll find people.
Every year I tweak something in order to achieve a better outcome. Last year I loaded up on the bike miles for more endurance. Did it make me faster? No, but I felt stronger at the end of the race.
I believe these changes are how you'll find the right combination that works best for you.
IMO, the training plan is a living, breathing document. You can make changes if you need to. If you "think" this will work for YOU, try it. If it's not working, change it.
I start with a new coach next week. I'm sure she and I will clash over what is best for me. I will try to follow her plan exactly unless she is out of her mind. My "A" race is in June, I have a "B" race in March. I might be making a change in March. :)
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Why do you think the adaptations will be better in zone 3 as apposed to zone 1 or 2?Novices will easily venture into zone 3 due to their lack of endurance. Spending time in zone 1 and 2 will develop that endurance (mitochondrial develop and capillarisation).
The biggest issue I have with people spending time in zone 3 is that it will never give you an opportunity to be able to double the amount of time you can spend training in zone 1 or 2. Therefore the people that are training in zone 1 and 2 will have the opportunity to train twice as much. Don't you think the long terms adaptations to this will be better then spending 1/2 the time training in zone 3?
I actually believe your recovery costs are too high in zone 3. As triathletes we are trying to juggle 3 disciplines into one week. Spending too much time in zone 3 will only take away from the opportunities that could be spent enhancing your aerobic developments in all 3 disciplines. By spending time more time in zone 1 and 2 your reducing your recovery times. Therefore, doing things like 2 sessions per day, double runs days, PM to AM runs, brick sessions become much more benefical and realistic to the demands of a triathlon.
Intensity has a habit of killing the minimal volume required to achieve the biggest gains. This is why people aren't achieving anywhere near their true potential because they think intensity can substitute volume. It just doesn't work like that.
If your serious about improving your aerobic capacity then you probably need to reduce the intensity and start training more. Doing 3 sessions PW for each discipline is a great way to introduce yourself to triathlons, but that is as far as it goes. It's an introduction to triahtlons. If your serious about improving your results then you need to start thinking about doing 4-5 sessions PW in each discipline. That's triahtlon training. There is no avoiding this. Even if your were to look at doing 4-5 sessions PW in each discipline it will still fall well short of a typical recovery week for a swimmer, cyclist or runner.
We barely do the minimal training at the best of times. Introduce intensity into the equation and then it just becomes that much mor complicated
Paul
I agree with you that novice triathletes shouldn't be doing 4 hours at Z3 their fisrt season, but for someone who is trying to get fast, training in Z1 most likely won't yield the same results. The Z3 work puts a larger strain on your body, which is the point. After recovering, you're able to come back stronger than before. This effect isn't as pronounced with Z1 training. Obviously there needs to be some discretion....you don't send a high school freshman linebacker into the weight room to do 300 lb bench presses....he'll rip out a shoulder or tear a pec or something, but I guarantee you that college and pro football players are doing that. The cycling team here at my school is a huge proponent of Z1/2 training (lots of Z1). I see tons of Cat 4/5 riders out there doing it. I don't see very many 1/2 riders, though.
As far as recovery goes, I don't see the extended recovery times until there's significant Z4/5 work being done. A couple weeks ago I did 5.5 hours on Saturday (mostly Z2 w/ maybe 1.5 hours at Z3) then 3 hours on Sunday at Z3. I took Monday off then did 3 hours at Z3 again on Tuesday. As long as you take care of your nutrition during the workout and are careful with the recovery (my post-workout routine takes nearly an hour), recovering from a lond Z3 ride doesn't take very long, provided that you've worked up to it properly. Since Z3 is still aerobic, the mitochondrial development is still there. I completely disagree that base training should be easy (training is never easy). It should be aerobic. I'm never going to throw up at the end of a base workout from oxygen debt like I might later in the season, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to work hard in January and February.
I agree with you that intesity kills the volume in a week, but Z3 really isn't that intense. I can get in 300 miles a week on the bike with lots of Z3 stuff, and still have time to do 35 miles running at Z3. I've been lazy lately with swimming, but if I had more time I'd be getting in probably 12,000 yeards (nowhere near the 60,000 I used to do, but still plenty of Z3/4 work...I don't get much benefit from base training in the pool).
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Since most of us are just kinda working out and thinking about next year I thought I would post the question since I will start training in January.
Have you ever done Base training right?
I am thinking about slapping on the HRM while working out and not going anaerobic for 12, possible 16 weeks. No tempo runs, no races, no hard training at all. Truely doing base training like Mark Allen preaches - using the Maffetone method. This will be a stuggle for me cause the minute I even think about measuring HR, my HR will increase - guess I am hyper!
I have been training for years and my endurance times (IM or marathons) have never reached their potential when you look at what I can do in a OLY tri race or 10K run. Yes, I could be leaner but at the end of the day I don't think I have ever fully developed my aerobic system and that is what I think is holding me back.
The beauty of next year is my A race is IMAZ in November. So the way I look at it I would like two peaks. First peak would be in June/July (fun races in the area) and then the second peak would be November 23rd.
I want to hear from anyone but really want to hear from those that have trained ONLY their aerobic system for 12-16 weeks. Did it work?