i saw that calculator a long time ago and was looking for it again and couldnt find it. this time i put it in my favorite places. Thanks so much.

That is an excellent calculator. Another good site is [URL]www.arkansasrunner.com[/URL].
It has a couple different calculators on it. :D

I remember seeing a chart for pace in the trademill. I know that running speed on a treadmill with no inclination is slower than running on a flat road since it takes less effort because you do not have to overcome air resistance on a treadmill. I'm looking for that chart, do you know where to find it?

Pace conversion chart for treadmill:

[url]http://www.hillrunner.com/training/tmillchart.php[/url]

Good luck on the treadmill. I'm just not a treadmill person. Mentally, it's harder for me to run 60 minutes at 0% incline than it is outdoors.

i like the treadmill. I used it in front of a mirror and helps me with the mechanics of my run as well as mentally. Thanks for the chart; I was not way off in my calculations setting the inclination of the treadmill. Now I am 100% sure.
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the treadmill conversion is interesting. I never knew that before. For me, i feel like its the opposite. Although it does seem like every treadmill is a little different. I could run 4 miles outside easily, but when I do it on the treadmill i sweat more and it seems harder. it may seem harder though b/c there is nothing to do accept look at how long you've been r unning for.

Thanks for the chart! I've printed it out and I'm using it as a reference. I was told by the spin class dude who does the brick workouts at my gym, (45 min of spin, 30 min of treadmill) that 3% is the equivalent to an outside flat run. There's probably some give and take between treadmills, but at least there's a table to work from. When in doubt you can always run by heartrate/time/percieved exertion.