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I actually think swimming will eventually be my best event. So even though it might not help me much in final rankings, it's something I really enjoy working on.

I swim in a 25yd pool. If I sprint with good rest my 50yd time is :44.
Yet if I do 100yd repeats eventually I'm dropping to 2:04. I'm guessing part of this is because of "going flat" once I get tired.
Also my 1600yd time is 32:30 ish.

I've spend much of my year working on short 100yd technique drills. I've definitely improved my technique but now I think I need to work on endurance so that I can do mile plus races. (hopefully faster with practice)

I'm in the pool 3 days a week 60-90 minutes each session. One of these sessions is a Masters Swimming class. So I get tons of feedback on technique.

I'd love to hear suggestions as to how to go about lowering my 1500yd + time.

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ston_ar posted 2 years ago.

I would recomend that you base your workouts mainly around shorter repeats, probably nothing longer than 2 or 3 hundred. Anything real long where you are just slogging through it with terrible technique isn't going to benefit you as much in the long run. Just make sure as you start to get tired just make sure to focus especially hard on your technique and holding your body lines together.

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UFTriGator posted 2 years ago.

Your 1600 time is almost exactly 16x your 100 time, so I don't think you need to work on your endurance nearly as much as your speed. Like ston-ar said, go short. I'd even venture to say that repeat 100s at or near lactate will be one of the most beneficial things you can do right now. Keep doing everything else, though (distance, drills, etc), just add a lot more speed work.

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big 3 posted 2 years ago.

Repeat 100s at or near lactate:
Does that mean repeats on a certain interval? Or Sprints with good rest in between, so I have a better chance of holding form?

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UFTriGator posted 2 years ago.

Do them on an interval. You want them to be as hard as you can go (with good form) while maintaining pace with a short rest. For example: 10x100 on 2:15, holding 2:05 for each (10 seconds rest).

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geochuck posted 2 years ago.

I am tired of writing workouts.

How to build endurence http://ruthkazez.com/ZeroTo1mile.html

Here is the whole site lots of good stuff here if you want to swim spend a day or two on this site you can learn a lot. http://ruthkazez.com/swimming.html

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big 3 posted 2 years ago.

My coach keeps telling me that I get flat once I get tired. Thus the big drop off from a 1:44 100 down to 2:04 100s as they add up.

I think part of the problem is I'm not fully aware of how to drive that rotation. (when I'm fresh it just happens, ya know?)
It seems once I'm tired the next thing he tells me is that I'm trying to rotate from the shoulders and that's not going to work.

Am I going about this the wrong way? Is there something else that I should be working on, or thinking about, that would help me keep my rotation from the hips? Or are we on the right track here with building speed/endurance?

Thanks for sticking with me on this one.

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wirebook posted 2 years ago.

geochuck;85791 wrote:
I am tired of writing workouts.

How to build endurence http://ruthkazez.com/ZeroTo1mile.html

Here is the whole site lots of good stuff here if you want to swim spend a day or two on this site you can learn a lot. http://ruthkazez.com/swimming.html

Funny, that zero to one mile link is what I used last spring when I first started swimming. It works pretty well. After a while I bailed off the plan because I was progressing faster, but it forced me to have some basic structure.

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geochuck posted 2 years ago.

It is a good start but once you start feeling good about your swimming you have to up your workouts.

A weekly combination of - Max VO2, Aerobic and Aenerobic swimming works good. If you only swim 3 times a week 1 day of each type is good or if you swim 6 days a week 2 days of each type of work out. Never do more then 2 Max vo2 workouts a week.

wirebook;85828 wrote:
Funny, that zero to one mile link is what I used last spring when I first started swimming. It works pretty well. After a while I bailed off the plan because I was progressing faster, but it forced me to have some basic structure.

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big 3 posted 2 years ago.

This is all good feedback.
Sounds like I should try to get another day or 2 at the pool as well.
I think weekday 6AM swimming should be a goal, then maybe I can reach the speed goals.

Thanks.

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Ironmom posted 1 year ago.

It sounds to me like your muscle memory with good technique is still not solid. It takes awhile to be able to move from using good technique in drills to be able to using it within your regular sroke to using it continuously for a long time. Swimming especially uses so many different muscle groups that this process can take time. The muscles necessary for that good technique need to be strong enough to keep the technique solid for longer and longer distances. Until you've built that technique into your muscle memory, I wouldn't swim any longer than you can hold good technique for.

I don't know how old you are, or whether you're male or female (one good reason to put basic info in your profile), but assuming you're not over 50, then a :44 for a sprint 50 and 1:44 - 2:04 100 times would suggest to me that you can still be working on technique as your primary focus.

What I like to have my swimmers do is one 25 of focus on technique via a drill, then 50 yard swim trying to hold that aspect of technique. Do these as repeat 75s. Once you can hold the technique for the entire 50, up these to 25+75, then 25+100, and so forth. The drill 25's are to re-focus you on the aspect you are trying to improve. Keeping the rest of the interval short allows you not to fatigue into poor technique.

Swimming is so much more about good technique than it is about endurance and fitness. It's hard for many athletes to let that one sink in, but it's true. I swim with 65 year olds who can hold 1:20 for 100's, and their endurance and fitness levels are far below that of a 30-something year old swimmer. It's all about technique.

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sourbubblegum1 posted 1 year ago.

well since speed is all about technique keep listening to them.
Remember to keep a high elbow recovery, push hands past your hips, keep your hand close to your hips (your thumb should almost tough your hip). Make sure your hand and arms enter the water shoulder width apart. If you cross your hand near your head than you will move in a zig zag pattern instead of straight and it will waste time. Also make sure your rolling your body enough towards the arm entering the water. And that your kick is coordinated with the arm stroke. And make sure your head is not too high in the water or your hips will sink and ull create drag. other than that u should be a good swimmer and become fast. :) good luck

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big 3 posted 1 year ago.

Finally kicked my cold and I'm back training again.
I did 10x 100s on 2:15s the other day and I really focused on my form. I think my worst 100 was 1:55ish (could be because I was so fresh from being sick, if that makes any sense).
Here is what I feel may be part of my "problem".
My first few 100's I'm able to keep my forward lean which keeps my hips & legs up. As I fatigue, I think I have trouble maintaining that forward balance, Which then drops my hips and legs, thus my being slower.
I feel my balance could be changing because of my breathing. When I first start I keep my chest very open, which helps with my buoyancy. I guess currently I can't maintain that. My question is should I be trying to "hold" my chest cavity open as I do? Or is that just something that is just wrong.
I guess for as much as I swim, I don't have a clue as to what the "Ideal" breathing cycle should be and how it should feel.

Kind of long winded...Hope my question makes sense to someone out there. Thanks in advance.

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ston_ar posted 1 year ago.

Are you exhaling fully before taking each breath? It almost sounds like youre trying to hold in as much air as possible to help with your bouyancy, you shouldn't have to do that. I would recomend breathing either every 2 or 3 strokes whichever is more comfortable, and making sure you are exhaling fully. Also as your upper body and core start to get tired, really try to get on your legs and kick harder to maintain your body position.

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big 3 posted 1 year ago.

Good Call Ston_ar.
I was definitely holding my breath, then blasting it out in time for the next breath. (horn player, strong lungs....). Obviously that is not good for swimming. I need to work on exhaling at a much more relaxed pace, continuously, as soon as my face is back in the water. I don't think this will be a hard adjustment. Just need to keep focused on it for awhile.

Here is another question. When we do 25yd no breath drills, do you still exhale the same way? Slower?

I appreciate all the feedback. I've been doing the 100 repeats as a mainset. Then a few sprint repeats after the main. I need to work ironmom's Drill/swim 25/50 into my plan, that just makes good sense. The VO2 Max workout has been the 90 min masters swim each week.
I also just watched a ton of swim videos on You Tube. I needed to see this High elbow catch to help me visualize that.
Thanks again. I'm off to the pool.

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big 3 posted 1 year ago.

I'm bringing this post back up again because I've liked the advice I'd been getting here.
Currently I'm wondering about other ways of improving my ability to keep my rotation. I'm suspecting core weakness and have started to do more abs work.
I'm hoping someone might have a more precise exercise that would target the hips/torso which is involved with the rotation.
I've seen the Finis HydroHips.
http://www.swimoutlet.com/product_p/1286.htm
Which I suppose might target the muscles exactly, but I'm not sure that going to be the fastest way to strengthen those muscles. I'm also a bit concerned that it might make me lose form elsewhere.

Any suggestions are appreciated

PS: I've improved about 3 seconds on my hundred over the past 7 weeks using the suggestions you all have given me. It doesn't sound like much but if I can actually keep improving at that rate I'll be happy.

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Sully800 posted 1 year ago.

3 seconds per 100y is close to a minute dropped from your 1 mile time....a very significant improvement! Congrats and keep up the hard work.